How is this not robbery?

   / How is this not robbery? #101  
JJ,
I didn't read every post on this but i kinda agree with you. Afterall, what if the mechanic took it way overboard and said it was gonna take him 10 hours to fix your car at $50 and hour. That would be $500. Now what if he completes that task in only 2 hours? You just paid him $250 an hour to do this repair instead of the $50 and hour he deserves for his services.

you darn right that is deception.
 
   / How is this not robbery? #102  
In dream land anything is possible. :cool:
 
   / How is this not robbery? #103  
scesnick said:
JJ,
I didn't read every post on this but i kinda agree with you. Afterall, what if the mechanic took it way overboard and said it was gonna take him 10 hours to fix your car at $50 and hour. That would be $500. Now what if he completes that task in only 2 hours? You just paid him $250 an hour to do this repair instead of the $50 and hour he deserves for his services.

you darn right that is deception.

What if he took 9 hours and 52 minutes? The lying SOB! He owes you 8 minutes!

Where's the line? All this talk about hours is a red herring. If you agree to pay X and they charge you X then you can't say they didn't tell you how much it was going to cost...and that's how much you agreed to pay.
 
   / How is this not robbery? #104  
Well, I am gonna mow this old farmers field next week. I planned on telling him $40.00 and hour and it will take 8 hours which would cost him about $320.00 to have the whole field done.

I always get paid in advance. So, after reading a few posts on this subject here, I think I will tell him it is gonna take 16 hours even though i know darn well it will only take me 8 hours.



( FWIW I have morals and would never do this even though a few here think it is fine)
 
   / How is this not robbery? #105  
This thread made me think of a uncle of mine. He had a guy come out to clear some land. He sat and watched him for about a hour and went up and told the cat driver that he wasn't paying for him to back up. You can guess what hit the fan.

Without a doubt, this is the funniest story in this whole thread.:laughing:

There is some validity to both sides of the argument in this thread:

In my younger years, I turned wrenches for about 10 years.
This was back in the days when things were repaired instead of replaced. Started out on a salary of $39 for a 44 hour week. Finally got up to 60% commission on labor and 10% on parts.

I operated like this:

I gave the customer a quote to do the job. The quote would be for everything, diagnosing the problem if necessary, parts, and labor.

If I wasn't real familiar with exactly how long the job would take, I would look up the time in a labor book (don't remember it's name) to give me a general idea. Then I would use that time on which to base the labor part of the quote.

If the customer agreed to the quote, then I did the job and the quote is what the customer paid.

If I allowed 2 hours for labor and I did the job in 1 hour due to the job going smoothly and/or my experience in that particular job, then so much the better for me. The customer paid what he agreed on (the quoted price) and received the same quality work as he would have if the job had taken the 2 hours.

On the other hand, if the job didn't go as smooth and/or my inexperience caused the job to take 4 hours, then the customer still paid what he agreed on (the quoted price) and still received the same quality work as he would have if the job had taken the 2 hours, and I bit the bullet on the extra time.

Seems to me, that was as fair as fair can get.



Now, for my mini rant:

The only occasions that I pay someone to do something for me is when I have no choice. ( I can't operate on myself; I can't fill my own teeth, etc. I have, however, cut my own hair for the last 40+ years.:) )
It just seems like the integrity of doing things right in nearly every field has gone down the toilet.
Sure, that is a blanket statement, and a lot of people working for the public are proud of their work and rightly so.
However, there are also many out there who are either outright crooks or are pathetically incompetent.

Like the guy that replaces a dozen items in trying to find the problem and charges you for them all, parts and labor, and the problem is still there.

Or how about the 'Economy oil change' where even if they actually change the oil and filter, they leave the drain plug loose and it leads to the destruction of your engine.

So the challenge for the public is how do you tell who is who, especially for those of the public who aren't knowledgeable enough about the work they need done to recognize that they've been shafted even after the fact.

I guess the long and short of it is, that today you have to really educate yourself about what it is you want to pay someone to do or you're just asking to get ripped off.


Well, since I'm ranting, I'll add this little bit about how the quality of the things you buy has changed.

Use to be that if you bought the most expensive, you got excellent quality. In fact, it was hard to buy something that wasn't worth what you paid for it. In other words, 'you get what you pay for' was generally true.

Today, you buy the most expensive and hope that it's not broke before you get it out of the box.
And I'm not talking just about the cheap China stuff. Today, made in the USA does not automatically mean it's a quality item.

Well, I guess I'd better stop before I start ranting about politics and who knows what else.

Stay cool in this heat wave,
 
   / How is this not robbery? #106  
In dream land anything is possible. :cool:

:laughing::laughing:Yep. When I ask about a price, I couldn't care less what the hourly rate is, or how long it'll take to do the job (except to ask for a estimate of when it'll be ready), or how much profit is involved for who. I just want to know how much I've gotta get out of my pocket and whether the job will be done right, and if I think the grand total is acceptable, we've got a deal, period.

When we lived down in Navarro County, it was 12 miles to the nearest tiny town, 20 & 25 miles to towns of any size, but there was an independent mechanic who lived nearly 2 miles from us, had his shop next to his house, had most of the modern equipment, and worked on both cars and pickups and tractors. He worked alone except for his widowed father-in-law (who retired from Ford Motor Co. and was primarily his parts chaser) and sometimes a teenaged grandson. It seemed a bit odd in that he always had vehicles he was working on, but no matter what you took to him, he'd have time to help you and get yours out today or tomorrow. Friendly guy who had no objections to you staying and watching what he was doing, if you wished.

Besides that, I liked to play with his border collie.:laughing: When I got out of my vehicle, that border collie would bring me an old used spark plug wire. And I could throw it until my arm wore out and the rascal would keep bringing it back and never tire of that game.:laughing:

But now I'm back in town where I didn't know any of the independent mechanics. Being a member of AAA, they guarantee repairs done by certain garages, and I'm sure those places are good, but I've called to ask about a couple of jobs and their prices are no better than the Ford dealer no more than a mile from me. I think everyone seems to assume that the dealers are higher priced or less honest, but this one ain't. So I get all my vehicle work done there. I can wait on it and drink their coffee while I wait, or they'll bring me home and come get me when it's ready.
 
   / How is this not robbery? #107  
Good story there Bird! I like having a good personal as well as professional relationship with people I do business with too! :thumbsup:

And I would be happy to help JJ out with his feeling he got gigged if he would tell us what the car was he had the work on maybe he did maybe he didnt i will look it up and/or give my opinion on the job if I know how bad it is etc?

I have no idea I am presuming they went off a published labor rate and added some for the loss of revenue from him bringing his own parts just a guess they probably figured if he got it at the zone he would be bringing it back in a week to put another one on and then charge him again thats how byo parts works. btw.
 
   / How is this not robbery? #108  
With the economy as it is the mechanic is lucky to be employed. Never mind the shop overhead, insurances, taxes worker compensation etc. I guess profit is a dirty word! If they had the new mechanic on it and it took him 5 hours to replace it would the additional cost have been paid? Most likely not...:2cents:
 
   / How is this not robbery?
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#109  
Good story there Bird! I like having a good personal as well as professional relationship with people I do business with too! :thumbsup:

And I would be happy to help JJ out with his feeling he got gigged if he would tell us what the car was he had the work on maybe he did maybe he didnt i will look it up and/or give my opinion on the job if I know how bad it is etc?

I have no idea I am presuming they went off a published labor rate and added some for the loss of revenue from him bringing his own parts just a guess they probably figured if he got it at the zone he would be bringing it back in a week to put another one on and then charge him again thats how byo parts works. btw.

92 Ford F-150 wiper moto,r two plug. Thats all.

3 bolts, about 6 screws, raise the cowling, remove the clip on the shaft, replace motor, insert clip, screw the cowling back down, and done.

This post was not meant to rile anybody, but if I ruffled anybody's feathers, I am truly sorry and I hope you have a better day.

I am happy that I got the wipers fixed, but I will never like the price, even though some say that it is general practice.
 
   / How is this not robbery? #110  
Well, I am gonna mow this old farmers field next week. I planned on telling him $40.00 and hour and it will take 8 hours which would cost him about $320.00 to have the whole field done.

I always get paid in advance. So, after reading a few posts on this subject here, I think I will tell him it is gonna take 16 hours even though i know darn well it will only take me 8 hours.



( FWIW I have morals and would never do this even though a few here think it is fine)

NO. You just simply quote him $320 to do the job at hand. And the end of the job, (if he agrees), collect $320 and everyone is happy. No need to go into how many hours you "think" it is going to take, or how much you charge per hour, or how you come about your $320 figure.

Just simply quote him $320 to bushhog "this" area. If he agrees, who cares if it takes you 4 hours or 24 hours. If you hold up your end of the deal (bushhogging all that is required for the price quoted) he shouldnt have any gripe at all. Even if it only takes 2 hours.
 

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