why one should ALWAYS carry your weapon

[dixstir]

a little joke here ---as the night guard said to the guy hidding in a dark hole come out now so I can see who you is or I can see who you was.

 

[JB4310]

If Joe Tractor carries, Joe had better know the law and think about scenarios. It really is not that much law to understand and it can often be simplified. It only takes a few hours to cover use of force law for CCW. If Joe Tractor can run tractor, then Joe can learn the law. Joe had better know he law if he carries.

I totally agree, that's what I was getting at, it is really so simple and refreshingly logical that a simple minded person like me has no trouble grasping the concept, there is no gray area. Well except the repeated use of the very liberal word "reasonable", but that word I believe protects your rights more than limits them.

This is all there is regarding the subject, would not take hours to go over, maybe minutes??
From the Connecticut General Statutes:

Sec. 53a-19. Use of physical force in defense of person. (a) Except as provided in subsections (b) and (c) of this section, a person is justified in using reasonable physical force upon another person to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of physical force, and he may use such degree of force which he reasonably believes to be necessary for such purpose; except that deadly physical force may not be used unless the actor reasonably believes that such other person is (1) using or about to use deadly physical force, or (2) inflicting or about to inflict great bodily harm.

(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a) of this section, a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person if he or she knows that he or she can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety (1) by retreating, except that the actor shall not be required to retreat if he or she is in his or her dwelling, as defined in section 53a-100, or place of work and was not the initial aggressor, or if he or she is a peace officer, a special policeman appointed under section 29-18b, or a motor vehicle inspector designated under section 14-8 and certified pursuant to section 7-294d, or a private person assisting such peace officer, special policeman or motor vehicle inspector at his or her direction, and acting pursuant to section 53a-22, or (2) by surrendering possession of property to a person asserting a claim of right thereto, or (3) by complying with a demand that he or she abstain from performing an act which he or she is not obliged to perform.

(c) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a) of this section, a person is not justified in using physical force when (1) with intent to cause physical injury or death to another person, he provokes the use of physical force by such other person, or (2) he is the initial aggressor, except that his use of physical force upon another person under such circumstances is justifiable if he withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to such other person his intent to do so, but such other person notwithstanding continues or threatens the use of physical force, or (3) the physical force involved was the product of a combat by agreement not specifically authorized by law.

Yes and No. I think the male tendency is to be more protective of the female. The law though, would be the same, regarding the actions taken.

Later,
Dan

Maybe the law is the same, but in reality women are treated differently. I don't really have a problem with that, most of the time anyway.

JB

 

[dixstir]

so what does all this legal stuff realy mean to a novice ?

 

[Chilly807]

so what does all this legal stuff realy mean to a novice ?

In a nutshell, make sure the bullet goes in the front and comes out the back..

I was told that by a police officer, and I'm pretty sure she was serious.

Sean

 

[dixstir]

25-colt maybe I schould put it back in the safe and bring out the 45 ruger and its loaded just like my other thing that hangs on the wall to put out fires.

 

[David Devuono]

Many a well armed person and even police officers have been killed with their own guns. Plus you don't want to kill a $500 dollar tractor tire, so practice and hit what you aim at. Practice with a buddy (unloaded weapon) protecting your weapon.

 

[shanehobson]

I feel like I live on a different planet. Here (New Zealand) it is strictly forbidden for any individual to own a hand gun or automatic rifle, except for those holding special licenses (such as collectors) which are issued by the police after an extensive vetting process. Only once in my life have I seen a police officer carrying a handgun. It is very rare to see guns of any sort being carried by police, let alone members of the public.
Guns here in private ownership are generally limited to semi automatic rifles and shotguns for pest control and sport hunting.
Keeping a gun for personal protection is unheard of (or certainly not talked about in public). I guess it's a bit like wife swapping, something you only talk about with other people doing the same thing.

Our petrol (gasoline) might be twice the price of yours, but I think that's a small price to pay to live in a gun free society.

 

[two_bit_score]

I feel like I live on a different planet. Here (New Zealand) it is strictly forbidden for any individual to own a hand gun or automatic rifle, except for those holding special licenses (such as collectors) which are issued by the police after an extensive vetting process. Only once in my life have I seen a police officer carrying a handgun. It is very rare to see guns of any sort being carried by police, let alone members of the public.
Guns here in private ownership are generally limited to semi automatic rifles and shotguns for pest control and sport hunting.
Keeping a gun for personal protection is unheard of (or certainly not talked about in public). I guess it's a bit like wife swapping, something you only talk about with other people doing the same thing.

Our petrol (gasoline) might be twice the price of yours, but I think that's a small price to pay to live in a gun free society.

Unless I'm mistaken you all can hunt with silencers on your rifles in NZ. To me that is just something unheard of. One can't have a silencer without a federal license here but, again I may be mistaken, it's quite common for hunting in NZ.

I got this from a guy I know who went in a hunting trip there.

 

[JB4310]

I feel like I live on a different planet. Here (New Zealand) it is strictly forbidden for any individual to own a hand gun or automatic rifle, except for those holding special licenses (such as collectors) which are issued by the police after an extensive vetting process. Only once in my life have I seen a police officer carrying a handgun. It is very rare to see guns of any sort being carried by police, let alone members of the public.
Guns here in private ownership are generally limited to semi automatic rifles and shotguns for pest control and sport hunting.
Keeping a gun for personal protection is unheard of (or certainly not talked about in public). I guess it's a bit like wife swapping, something you only talk about with other people doing the same thing.

Our petrol (gasoline) might be twice the price of yours, but I think that's a small price to pay to live in a gun free society.

Sounds like a great place for an anti gun person to live.
Doesn't mean you don't have crime there though.

"We are getting a lot more knife attacks, a lot more baseball bat attacks," he said.
"Being the third-worst for the prevalence of all the most common crime is bad enough, but being the fifth worst for assaults and threats and 11th for ****** assaults on women is very concerning," Mr Power said.

NZ's poor violent crime rating 'no surprise' - National - NZ Herald News

Violent crime increase - videos - national | Stuff.co.nz

Still your crime rates per capita are way lower than ours, but yours are growing rabidly and ours is going down.

How is a gun free society gonna protect itself when things get much worse?

JB

 

[5030]

I feel like I live on a different planet. Here (New Zealand) it is strictly forbidden for any individual to own a hand gun or automatic rifle, except for those holding special licenses (such as collectors) which are issued by the police after an extensive vetting process. Only once in my life have I seen a police officer carrying a handgun. It is very rare to see guns of any sort being carried by police, let alone members of the public.
Guns here in private ownership are generally limited to semi automatic rifles and shotguns for pest control and sport hunting.
Keeping a gun for personal protection is unheard of (or certainly not talked about in public). I guess it's a bit like wife swapping, something you only talk about with other people doing the same thing.

Our petrol (gasoline) might be twice the price of yours, but I think that's a small price to pay to live in a gun free society.

Spent part of last summer with a fellow from Germany, an engineer from John Deere, here for a seminar/training session at Rock Island. We rode motorcycles around the UP of Michigan and Wisconsin. Anyway, I was carrying concealed and we overnighted at various motels (I'm too old to camp and sleep on the ground).

He wasn't at all interested in my carry gun, actually, he told me the only guns in his country were either military or private sporting long guns and only one sporting long gun could be possessed by an individual and only through a long, ardious certification process. He was in the military so he was versed in gun handling, carried a rifle but had no interest in guns after service.

We discussed the European policy at great length and I came to some conclusions, as follows...

Europeans aren't granted the right to bear arms under the Constitution because they have no Constitution, unlike the United States. Consequently, owning firearms and/or carrying a firearm is completely foreign to them and has been for generations. It's not a normal thing (like it is here) so why desire something that's not even considered in the normal course of living and society.

European society is much more progressive in thoughts and actions and political stance, than the United States. Consequently (with the exception of the Arab countries and Australia), there is little need for the citizens to bear arms except for sporting purposes. Europeans treat each other with much more respect than citizens of this country. It's the respect for each other that negates the need to bear arms.

Beacuse no European country is a democracy and the central government (of each country dictates what the citizens can or cannot do (and has for decades), the very idea of gun ownership is alien to the general populus.

Finally, in the case of the Arab nations, everyone has a gun, at least the various political factions and most likely a poor shooting but reliable as a rock, AK47. The media in it's quest for sensationalism, has made the AK47 it's poster child. Kalanishkov designed a simple and reliable weapon for the Russian Army thats been copied and has become the weapon of choice for dissidents everywhere. I have a couple myself, not that I'm a dissident.

In the case of Australia, it was government mandate brought about by the people that removed weapons from the hands of citizens. Interestingly however, the criminal segment never turned in their guns so now crime perpetrated with firearms in Australia is against unarmed citizens, a sad affair.

This country is the only civilized nation (I say that tongue-in-cheek) in which the citizens are granted the right to bear arms under the Constitution, something our current administration would like to change but I don't see that happening. Europe, in general is just the opposite.

Interestingly however, the best firearms are manufactured in the very countries where ownership is banned by government mandate and also interesting is the fact that the bulk of gun powder in this country is manufactured in of all places.... Australia.

If you've never had it (firearms) in your lifetime, there is no desire to have it.


You can't possess an automatic weapon here (United States) either, unless you have a Class 3 FFL. Automatic weapon ownership is a 10 year felony as is silencers in some states.

Your motor fuel is twice (to three times the price of domestic fuel) because of your tax structure, not anything else. The price of crude is the same worldwide, set by OPEC. It's your central government raping you for taxes, not the cost of the product.