New Kubota Factory

   / New Kubota Factory #111  
Numbers for Michigan teachers according to what I find:

Average beginning salary: 35K

Overall average: 57K

Note: Not a teacher, no relations that are teachers.

Michigan shows up as #7 in teacher salaries.
 
   / New Kubota Factory #112  
Unions are the problem. Period.

Please note that there are zero unions in Japan. The reason being is the people take pride in their work both individually and as a whole. They don't need a union to negotiate for often sub-par and overpaid workers.
 
   / New Kubota Factory #113  
Trust me, I won't be the last person out. There needs to be some big changes in this land fast, or Michigan will become even worse.

I guess I don't see Michigan being able to change anything that will make a difference - as long as the manufacturing companies can hire somebody in Mexico or China or ? for pennies on the dollar, the factories will keep closing. And without jobs, people will keep leaving. I live in Livingston county. It looks like a retirement community - everywhere you go, all you see is gray hair and bald heads. They are closing schools here pretty buch every year. No young folks.
 
   / New Kubota Factory #114  
Unions are the problem. Period.

Please note that there are zero unions in Japan. The reason being is the people take pride in their work both individually and as a whole. They don't need a union to negotiate for often sub-par and overpaid workers.

Japan has a higher percentage of unionization than the US. Sorry :(
 
   / New Kubota Factory #115  
300UGUY said:
I guess I don't see Michigan being able to change anything that will make a difference - as long as the manufacturing companies can hire somebody in Mexico or China or ? for pennies on the dollar, the factories will keep closing. And without jobs, people will keep leaving. I live in Livingston county. It looks like a retirement community - everywhere you go, all you see is gray hair and bald heads. They are closing schools here pretty buch every year. No young folks.

Michigan needs to diversify. To what I don't know but the auto industry is obviously not the future.
 
   / New Kubota Factory #116  
I guess I don't see Michigan being able to change anything that will make a difference - as long as the manufacturing companies can hire somebody in Mexico or China or ? for pennies on the dollar, the factories will keep closing. And without jobs, people will keep leaving. I live in Livingston county. It looks like a retirement community - everywhere you go, all you see is gray hair and bald heads. They are closing schools here pretty buch every year. No young folks.

Michigan's problems stem from a not too friendly state government attitude toward business, in other words, a business tax that strangles business plus no worthwhile tax incentives to locate here, all things that the new governor is trying to change.

Japan has a higher percentage of unionization than the US. Sorry :(

Japanese worker unions differ greatly from unions here, especially in work rules.

Don't forget that Japan has been in financial doldrums for the last 15 years, similar to what we now experience. We all exist on the same globe so what goes around, comes around.....
 
   / New Kubota Factory #117  
Numbers for Michigan teachers according to what I find:

Average beginning salary: 35K

Overall average: 57K

Note: Not a teacher, no relations that are teachers.

Michigan shows up as #7 in teacher salaries.

...and just about dead last in per capita student accomplishment as well as drop out rate.

The MTA and the union contracts limit the control state and local governments have to facilitate or adjust contracts when funding is down, which it is. Things like paid health insurance for life, guaranteed pay increases based on tenure instead of work performance and other perks need to be addressed.

My take is, as a teacher, you choose that profession, no one twisted your arm or coerced you, it was voluntary. When funding is sown, deal with it. At least you are working and doing what you like to do. It's not for me. I have a teaching certification but I can't deal with recalcitrant kids....or posters for that matter......:)

This all leads back to the 'Kubota Factory' in as much as Kubota feels that they can staff the new factory with labor at a rate not comensurate with a 'living wage'. More power to them. I won't be there applying, but then, I don't have to.

I read a post a few back concerning the 'quality' of the domestic plant versus it's Japan based counterpart.

My comment is this:

Both loaders that came on my tractors (the M9 and the 105) were assembled stateside, from sourced domestic components.

Both loaders suffer from poor paint jobs (I had to go and repaint parts on both). I don't consider paint to be a mechanical issue however...

The welding on both loaders is at best, cobbly, not something that would be acceptable in Japan by a long shot. I'm in the welding business and I would never consider the sloppy welding on the loaders to be commercially acceptable. The welds are structurally strong but appearance wise, are poor and as I stated, the paint is unacceptable. Some places have sags and runs and others were bare.

I commented to my dealer about that and he replied that both were made in Georgia. I can see a 12 buck an hour welder doing that, or a 12 buck an hour painter...... You get what you pay for. Pay low wages you get low quality and low self esteem and of course the lack of craftsmanship and pride in product.

I'll take a Japanese built loader any day over the domestic counterpart.
 
   / New Kubota Factory #118  
I thought I heard a rumor, Kubota will be opening up a new factory in Georgia, anyone else hear the rumor?
 
   / New Kubota Factory #120  
Exactly why I do a one person hay business. You can't find any younger people willing to work. Kids today want to play video games and yak on a cell phone that mommy and daddy pay for.

Another reason I'm down on teachers getting big pay and health perks. What do kids learn in public school today (for the most part).....

While I agree with your first statement, go try and teach kids whose parents buy them every electronic device, demand they have their cell phones in the classroom, complain that their kids have homework, want to cut teacher pay but spend money on new BB uniforms ...... Topped off by kids who think (because there's no discipline at home) they can tell a teacher to F-off. School districts are political entities who cow-tow to whiney parents. I GUARANTEE most folks who think teaching is gravy wouldn't last a day in today's classroom without doing something that would get them fired.

I speak as a "former" teacher who did try and "make" kids learn I'm talking about experience - I support paying parents for their kids performance in school. Then little Jonny might have a fire under his arse at home.

5030 -
What the governor wants to do in MI is tantamount to converting their state into a Mexico or China. Same with South Carolina. As someone here aready mentioned, we'll lower our standards to get a company to relocate to our state - lower pay, no or low bennies, no or low health care, huge tax breaks ... Across the border they're know as maquiladoras.
 

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