GC2410 50 hr. service and synthetic fluids

[mustangsallysdad]

That is without question the weakest argument I have ever seen in my life.

After spending thousands on a tractor, people are so particular about the fluids they use until their warranty expires, the majority are afraid to even use anything except the exact products that were made, and used, by the manufacturer, even though lots of other products, that meet, or exceed, the specifications in the owners manual are available. In many cases, even after the warranty expires, they are not willing to use a different product.

As a matter of fact, it is very common to see new owners who are so concerned about the service being done properly, the don't even want to change the oil themselves.

In the event that someone could be feebleminded enough to purchase, and or, try to dump, any quantity of gear oil in their hydo, because they thought that they read it was okay, in my post. Keep in mind, they would also have to be somehow astute enough to know where the filler is.

But, I appreciate you clearing that up. :thumbsup:

Glad I could enlighten you!

 

[liberty2701]

Sorry to butt in . Where did the idea of using gear oil in the front diff instead of permatran start. I Just want to understand as to how it would be better than Amsoil ATH in the front diff. Walmart has a semi-synthnetic 75w90 ep lube for $5 a qt. Would this be better than Amsoil ATH? I am open to all kinds of info. That is why I am on this sight to learn.

 

[ray66v]

You can't butt in on a thread from 2 years ago.

In many applications, hydraulic transmission fluid, ATF, and Gear oil, are all capable, and interchangeable.

Hydraulic transmission fluid has to do lots of different things. Gear lube is made for a single application.

If you have gears only, gear lube can handle higher pressures, than hydraulic transmission oil.

EP gear lube is made to handle the highest pressures.

All are capable of lubricating your front axle.

If you want to go for the maximum protection, use synthetic EP gear lube, but it may never make any noticeable difference which you use.

 

[sw03]

Sorry to butt in . Where did the idea of using gear oil in the front diff instead of permatran start. I Just want to understand as to how it would be better than Amsoil ATH in the front diff. Walmart has a semi-synthnetic 75w90 ep lube for $5 a qt. Would this be better than Amsoil ATH? I am open to all kinds of info. That is why I am on this sight to learn.

So, let me get this right, you want to compare a chinamart fluid to Amsoil....:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

 

[liberty2701]

Not at all. I am comparing a 75w90 gear oil made in the USA to a Tractor/hyraulic(5w30) fluid by Amsoil. There has been alot of discussion about the benefits of running gear oil versus hydraulic fluid in the front diff. This is not the first thread about it, just an old one.

 

[sw03]

Not at all. I am comparing a 75w90 gear oil made in the USA to a Tractor/hyraulic(5w30) fluid by Amsoil. There has been alot of discussion about the benefits of running gear oil versus hydraulic fluid in the front diff. This is not the first thread about it, just an old one.

Amsoil WILL be heads above to any fluid, hyd wise. Now a hyd fluid has diff properties as a gear fluid, as it should; hence why people make two differance fluids. I would NEVEr use a gear fluid in a hyd app. Dumb it you ask me.

 

[liberty2701]

I fully understand what you are saying. I understand Amsoil makes a superior product. What I am referring to is that many on this site advocate the use of gear oil in the front diff of the Massey GC series of tractors instead of the Permatran that Massey recommends. What I am trying to determine is whether Amsoil 5w30 ATH would provide better protection than a 75w90 semi-synthetic gear oil in the front diff. Remember, we are talking about a differential not a hydrostatic transmission.

 

[WilliamBos]

Thr front diff is filled with permatran because it is convenient. Only one lube needed for the diff & trans. Switching to an EP synthetic is the best thing you can do.

 

[liberty2701]

That is an explanation I was looking for. Convienience is something I could understand from a manufactures point of view. Thanks for the simple response.

 

[ray66v]

Your starting to frustrate me son. :mur:

 

[liberty2701]

Frustration is felt on both sides. How many times have you heard or read something and it turned out to be wrong. Just because someone says something does not make it right. My concern was that a manufacture says to use a certain type of fluid and others are saying to use something entirely different with the only explanation being that it is better. When the nice gentlemen stated it was purely for convenience (aka: logistics in manufacturing) that makes sense. Life has taught me to ask the same question many times to different people to get the right answer. I got that on this forum. Thank you and Merry Christmas

 

[WilliamBos]

Frustration is felt on both sides. How many times have you heard or read something and it turned out to be wrong. Just because someone says something does not make it right. My concern was that a manufacture says to use a certain type of fluid and others are saying to use something entirely different with the only explanation being that it is better. When the nice gentlemen stated it was purely for convenience (aka: logistics in manufacturing) that makes sense. Life has taught me to ask the same question many times to different people to get the right answer. I got that on this forum. Thank you and Merry Christmas

One thing I would not change they type of is the coolant. MF recommends an ethylene glycol based coolant, and I have found a diesel coolant at Canadian tire that is ethylene glycol based. Do not want to take a chance on some of the other coolants out there. Changing sooner will not bother me.

 

[ray66v]

Frustration is felt on both sides. How many times have you heard or read something and it turned out to be wrong. Just because someone says something does not make it right. My concern was that a manufacture says to use a certain type of fluid and others are saying to use something entirely different with the only explanation being that it is better. When the nice gentlemen stated it was purely for convenience (aka: logistics in manufacturing) that makes sense. Life has taught me to ask the same question many times to different people to get the right answer. I got that on this forum. Thank you and Merry Christmas

The nice gentleman who stated that is purely for convenience, has no way of knowing if that is the true reason, it is strictly a matter of opinion.

While most of us agree, (including me), that is why they do it. It is not a known fact, it is speculation.

So, if you were truly looking for verification, your acceptance of this statement, in lieu of the information I gave you, is both frustrating and puzzling.

Since you are new here, I will tell you we do not just make up recommendations and pass them out, they are based on fact, and experience. And, we use them on our tractors.

In the rare event a recommendation is based on speculation, we tell you that.

As I explained to you, in some applications these fluids are interchangeable. This is one of them.

Since you found my recommendation questionable, here are real facts to back it up: My manual, (from Massey Ferguson), provides for the option to use gear lube in the identical front axle on my tractor. Furthermore, a member who had a gear failure, also took this question to MF directly, and they again approved the use of gear lube in the axle.

The reality, (not opinion), is, MF puts the hydraulic oil in there, because it is sufficient to do the job.

This is not something really worth obsessing over.

I hope helping you in the future is easier.

 

[liberty2701]

The more I pry the more I get. That info was excellent. I appreciate the fact you responded with more info that I am looking for. A clear expalnation is priceless. My manual clearly sates Permatran III only. That is why I prod and pry for info. Sorry for the bother . Thanks again

 

[MF RED in MT]

Hey everyone, I am preplanning for my 50 hour service for this summer and I think I have found the grease, and fluids that I will be using? I have been searching here on TBN and also most of the major oil companys , and there is a lot of different information out there . I have a major investment that I want to give the best care to and another consideration is I live in a cold winter area where summer mid temps are 78F. I have tried to adhere to the owners manual specifications except to exceed them. Today I called my nesrest MF dealer and ask about "Amsoil Synthetic fluids and any warranty problems" and I was told that Amsoil was not a problem with my warranty . I will list below the MF requirements and a long with that the product that I am planning to use.

1). Engine Oil: MF Mutiguard, MIL-L-46152, API Service CC; SAE 10w, 20w,
30w, 10w-30, and 15w-40 (these SAE's are for different temps).
Plan to use Amsoil Synthetic 10w-30/30w Heavy Duty Diesel
Oil (3 US qts. equals $24).

2). Transmission, Differential Housing, and Front Axle: MF Permatran lll.
Plan to use Amsoil Syn. Tractor Hydradulic/Transmission Oil;
SAE 5w-30 (ATH) (Trans/Diff. Housing and Front Axle equals 17 US qts.
$136).

3). MF2360 Snowblower Gearbox: AGMA 5EP, SAE 80w-90 gear oil.
Plan to use Amsoil Syn. Gear Lube SAE 80-90 (unknown amount,
1 US qt.equals $9.20).

4). Grease Fittings: MF M-1105 lithium base grease No. 2.
Using Valvoline Syn Power, NGLI #2 GC-LB Lithium Complex EP
Grease has moly-fortified ingredients to increase
film strength, lubricates at temperatures ranging from -40F to 400F
(14.1oz tube at Napa equals $5.99).

5). Engine Coolant: 50/50 mixture ethylene glycol and water (-30F).
Plan to use Zerex Original Green Antifreeze/Coolant (4.9 US qts
at a 55/45 mixture equals -34F).

6). I have not researched the Amsoil Filters so I so not know yet if I will use
them or Napa, orthe MF Filters.
(MF oil filter is $11.50 / MF trans filter is $26.62)
I would like your advise regarding the oil and
transmission filter products .

Please let me know what you think of my choices and any products that you use or would consider using? I hope this thread can help others with their services they do on their tractors. Thanks, KC

Just an update on the fluids I am using in my GC2410, :thumbsup:.

1.) For my next engine oil and filter change, I will be switching to the Amsoil Series 3000 Synthetic 5W-30 Heavy-Duty Diesel Oil. I believe this will be better for my tractor instead of the Amsoil Synthetic 10W-30/SAE 30 Heavy Duty Diesel Oil that I am currently using because of our extreme cold winter weather.

2.) I am using the Amsoil Synthetic Tractor Hydraulic/Transmission Oil SAE 5W-30 (ATH) for the transmission housing. For the front axle I did end up using the Amsoil Synthetic Gear Lube SAE 80W-90 (AGL).

3.) For the MF 2360 snowblower gearbox I am using the Amsoil Synthetic Gear Lube SAE 80W-90 (AGL).

4.) I am using the Valvoline SynPower grease.

5.) The engine coolant: I am using the Napa Brand RTU 50/50 mixture of antifreeze and also change this fluid each year.

6.) I have only used the MF hyd/trans filter and the MF engine oil filter.

I hope this helps others and does not add any additional confusion, :confused2: :confused2: :confused2:.

B.T.W. Merry Christmas to all, KC

 

[cdaigle430]

Checked my front axle and found it almost empty from the factory. i should have listened to others and checked it from the start. So the majority say the gear oil is better. What bran and whay voscoscity? Also-how full, right to I fill it up?

 

[MF RED in MT]

Checked my front axle and found it almost empty from the factory. i should have listened to others and checked it from the start. So the majority say the gear oil is better. What bran and whay voscoscity? Also-how full, right to I fill it up?

I am using Amsoil Synthetic Gear Lube SAE 80W-90 (AGL) and my owners manual states that the capacity is 4.2 US quarts, :thumbsup:. I just followed my owners manual instructions on page 57 that explains how to check and also change the front axle oil, :licking:. Hope this helps you, KC