New Holland Subcompacts?

[eagle107]

Guys,

I am in the market for a subcompact tractor now. I am currently looking at the John Deer 1023e or 1026r, Kubota BX series or Mahindra Max series. Has New Holland announced any plans to unveil a new subcompact line soon?

 

[HenryFordPower]

The Boomer 20 and 25 will be arriving at dealers starting in about April. We have 5 on order and they have since been shipped. They will be 20 and 25 hp respectively.

 

[eagle107]

The Boomer 20 and 25 will be arriving at dealers starting in about April. We have 5 on order and they have since been shipped. They will be 20 and 25 hp respectively.

Are they LS or Mitsubishi type subcompact tractors?

 

[HenryFordPower]

Yes. They are Mitsubishi powered subcompacts manufactured by LS. There were some emmissions issues with them, that is why there was a gap in the NH lineup for almost a year.

Thank congress and the EPA, but NH now has a full line up.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

The boomer 20 and 25 are not subcompacts.

New Holland still does not have a full line up. no sub compacts, no cab tractors, etc. CNH needs to either make a commitment to the compact tractor business and get the product right, or cut their losses and concentrate on farm equipment.

 

[HenryFordPower]

The boomer 20 and 25 are not subcompacts.

New Holland still does not have a full line up. no sub compacts, no cab tractors, etc. CNH needs to either make a commitment to the compact tractor business and get the product right, or cut their losses and concentrate on farm equipment.

I agree that there are still gaps, I guess I didn't think we were talking about the entire NH lineup here. I also agree with a little more reading that the Boomer 20 and 25 are Class I tractors not subcompacts. At the same time, they may fit the bill for the OP.

 

[HenryFordPower]

I agree that there are still gaps, I guess I didn't think we were talking about the entire NH lineup here. I also agree with a little more reading that the Boomer 20 and 25 are Class I tractors not subcompacts. At the same time, they may fit the bill for the OP.

Frame size on the NH Boomer 20 and 25 will be larger than the Deere models you stated above, otherwise the hp and other specs are comparable.

NH


Mitsubishi S3L2 3 Cyl. Diesel Engine

27.0 Gross Engine hp @ 2700 rpm

19.9 PTO hp @ 2700 rpm (HST)

80.4 cu. in. (1.3L) Displacement

1433 lb. (650 kg)

Tier 4a compliant

Turn-Buckle Type Leveling Mechanism

Naturally Aspirated

Chain Stabilizers

Under Hood Muffler / Exhaust

Fixed Link Ends
Single Element Air Cleaner

Full-flow, Spin-on Oil Filter

ROPS

6.6 gallon (25L) Fuel Tank

2-Post, Foldable Roll Bar


JD

MODEL 1026R


Engine

Manufacturer Yanmar 3TNV76

Engine HP (kW) - gross 25.2 (18.5) per ISO 97/68/EC

PTO HP (kW) - Gear transmission ---

PTO HP (kW) - Hydrostatic transmission 18 (13.4) per SAE

Rated engine speed, rpm 3200

Type Diesel

Operating range 1360-3370

Aspiration Natural

Cylinders/Displacement, cu. in. (liters) 3 / 68 (1.115)

Bore and Stroke, mm (in.) 76x82 (2.99x3.23)

Air Cleaner Dry type with safety element

Fuel Tank Cap., US Gal. (L) (Open; Cab) 5.6 (21.2)

Hydraulics Type Open Center

Pump Rated Output, gpm (L/min.) 6.3 (24)

Steering 2.8 (10.8)

Implement 3.5 (13.2)

Pump Type Gear

Maximum Operating Pressure (PSI) 2000

 

[eagle107]

Thanks! To be honest, the Boomer 20 & 25 seems to be the same tractors as the LS J23HST and J27HST. I would probably go to the LS dealer to look at them seeing he already has them on his lot.

Neil,

Any news if Kubota has an update coming/redesign on the table for the BX models?

 

[HenryFordPower]

Thanks! To be honest, the Boomer 20 & 25 seems to be the same tractors as the LS J23HST and J27HST. I would probably go to the LS dealer to look at them seeing he already has them on his lot.

Neil,

Any news if Kubota has an update coming/redesign on the table for the BX models?

Same as LS.

 

[skspurling]

So, these sound like the comparable to a Kubota B2620 and B2320. So, the JD model would be the... 2320 and what? John Deere's line has a couple of holes in it too. The Boomer 30 would be like the B2920, B2630, or the JD 2520 or 2720? It really gets strange trying to figure out what apples to apples is when doing comparisons. I guess it all runs down to where their big markets are. I ran into a dealer that wouldn't mess with a Kubota B series any smaller than a B2920. It was where he was located, and what his local customers wanted.
I wouldn't say NH needs to cut out of the market because they don't have an apples to apples direct competitor. That's silly. What I do find irritating is that every one is selling re-branded tractors with slightly different sheet metal and different paint. JD, at least, makes an effort to engineer some differences into their tractors.

 

[jinman]

The boomer 20 and 25 are not subcompacts.

You may well be correct, but that's what NH is calling them on their website.

 

[HenryFordPower]

You may well be correct, but that's what NH is calling them on their website.

It's all a matter of terminology, the key here is finding a tractor that meets your needs, it does not matter what we call them.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Neil,

Any news if Kubota has an update coming/redesign on the table for the BX models?

I've not seen or heard anything, but as the normal refresh cycle of models go they should be comming about shortly. That said, Kubota seems to be going about 10 different ways right now and its possible they are putting engineering resources elsewhere.

 

[RickB]

I agree that there are still gaps, I guess I didn't think we were talking about the entire NH lineup here. I also agree with a little more reading that the Boomer 20 and 25 are Class I tractors not subcompacts. At the same time, they may fit the bill for the OP.

Gaps? You must work in Sales and have a small part of your gross come from CUT's.
With the end of the Shibaura contract and the execution of CNH's deal with LS, CNH has all but abdicated its position in the CUT marketplace. I don't know about your end of PA, but here it is nearly impossible to get anyone to sit on a Boomer let alone buy one. I'm all but certain we sold more Kiotis in the first three months we had that contract (first quarter 2011) than we did Boomers and Workmasters in all of 2011.
Shibaura subcompacts are coming to your local Kioti dealer soon, by the way.

 

[HenryFordPower]

Oh I feel the sting of no more ISM tractors, there is no question. Taking a customer that has a TC or the like and showing them a new Boomer is tough. Staying positive is the key, as the decisions that are made by the higher ups are often not the best moves in the eyes of everyone. It was not that long ago that the dealer body was crying about "an over speced and over priced ISM" lets keep in mind. As you probably know better than I, this stuff is cyclical and maybe some one will eventually wake up and make a reasonable OEM agreement. As for Shibura and Kioti, it is disappointing for the NH guys and some accountability needs to surface for the break down in CNH's relationship. However, kudos to Kioti. Do you find the Kioti to be superior to the other CUT's on the market?

 

[RickB]

Do you find the Kioti to be superior to the other CUT's on the market?

There are often questions here about the 'best' this or that available, in other words, an offering that is universally judged to be superior. If there were any one 'best' version of a particular product, other brands would disappear over time. We needed to replace a popular and successful product that was no longer available; thinking (perhaps correctly) that CNH had failed in that regard. There is little doubt that Kioti tractors offer features and value not available to us or our customers from CNH. We inherited a substantial local Kioti customer base that exhibits a high level of product satisfaction, and we are building on that group's level of dealer satisfaction. There is a distinction to be made between remaining positive about a product line and blindly following along. The success of the CNH marketing strategy falls a distant third goal for us below the happiness and success of our customers and that of our own dealership.

 

[HenryFordPower]

There is a distinction to be made between remaining positive about a product line and blindly following along. The success of the CNH marketing strategy falls a distant third goal for us below the happiness and success of our customers and that of our own dealership.

There is no question that the priority of a business must be the satisfaction of its customers, no one is saying let the blind lead the blind. If NH, Kioti, or any other company does not offer what a customer wants and needs, it (in my opinion) is the responsibility of the customer AND dealer (to the best possible extent) to find them the best suitable machine for their needs and budget regardless of color. That's exactly why there are forums like this. I would not be honest if I said that I wasn't partial to blue, but I am not oblivious to the rest of what is out there.

The initial question here was if NH was going to offer a subcompact. The answer is they are introducing a 20 and 25 hp class I frame sized tractor that has similar specs to the JD the OP was also looking at. I did not state that "the new Boomer 20 and 25 is the greatest thing on earth simply because NH made it" from the top pf the message board, I simply stated what is coming.

I will admit that I was a little over the top saying "NH now has a full lineup", and for that I realize a little chastisement is deservedly coming my way.:laughing:

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

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[HenryFordPower]

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I digress as well, keep up the good work fellows.

 

[MrWhippy]

I'm surprised you're not selling more Workmasters. Our WM55 is fantastic. We bought ours in October and have about 90 hours on it now. It's a solid classic 4wd tractor. The plate steel is much thicker than other tractors in the same hp range. Minimal plastic to get brittle and crack. Everything is easy on/off connectors.

The only negative is the size of the fill hole in the transmission. It could use a bigger fill hole.

I have to say, I'm surprised that more people aren't snapping these up for small acreage farms.