Smog Test
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murphy1244
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Heck, My 95 chevy did that...
Dmace
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Print this out and show it to that Prius driver that thinks your destroying the environment and they're saving it.
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I saw a story on tv saying that a Prius has a larger environmental impact then a V8 truck that get 10 mpg over the course of 250,000 miles.
Reason being is the process of mining the batteries and manufacturing them is a very "dirty" process.
I also get a kick out of those who will buy a Prius or any other hybrid vehicle over say a bone stock base model Honda Civic, Hyundai Sonata, Chevy Cruze, Ford Fiesta, Dodge Caliber, Toyota Corolla, ect. Yes, you may get 45 mpg versus say 32 mpg average for the models I listed above but instead of buying a $18,000 car you buy a $32,000 car. You can buy a lot of gas at $4.00 per gallon before you could ever come close to making up the $14,000 difference. It would take 45,000 miles to even come close to breaking even.
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orezok
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oops. I replaced my '96 with an '06. Old age is a b@#%&. My '96 was just about as clean.
Dmace
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Exactly, and those batteries are non-recyclable. Then you get these plug-in hybrids because people think their electricity comes from hydro dams or wind plants when it's most likely a coal burning plant.Diamondpilot said:
We just recently replaced the Pacifica for something more economical. Test drove them all and drove home a brand new Mazda 3i Touring with the new direct injected Skyactiv 4 cylinder and 6 speed auto. Got it for $19,500 cash out the door, with 2500 miles on it we're averaging 35.3 mpg everyday driving and I got 40.5 mpg on a highway ride of about 400 miles round trip. Unlike these hybrids, we have no batteries, no electric plugs, room for 4-5 adults, a full trunk, spare tire, sports car handling, good power and acceleration, 5 star crash test rating, and a easy to maintain vehicle.Diamondpilot said:
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powerpace
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Prius and Dodge PU here. 1998 Prius has 170,000 miles. Avg Gpm 45, and I drive with a heavy foot. The worst gas milage I ever got was 39gpm across the Salt Flats into a headwind.
Paid about $28,000, not the top of the line not the bottom. Save about $250 per year in Insurance by having the Prius. Never have seen a Prius broke down on the road. Never saw one towed. Never see one on a used car lot.
You might want to checkout the recent JD POWER report on Vehicle Dependability Study and Initial Quality Study.
When this Pruis hits 200,000 we're getting another and keeping the first one.
Paid about $28,000, not the top of the line not the bottom. Save about $250 per year in Insurance by having the Prius. Never have seen a Prius broke down on the road. Never saw one towed. Never see one on a used car lot.
You might want to checkout the recent JD POWER report on Vehicle Dependability Study and Initial Quality Study.
When this Pruis hits 200,000 we're getting another and keeping the first one.
jeffsw6
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I fully believe this, but I think it is a technology that is still in the early-adopter stage, infancy, whatever you might call it.
Since there is production volume of these powerful batteries now, mfrs, universities, gov't funded start-ups, etc. all have a large incentive to invent better batteries and improve the process that goes into making them (and hopefully recycling them later.)
I have no interest in buying an electric vehicle today, but I hope the technology keeps getting better, cheaper, cleaner, etc. Battery technology has come a long way even before electric cars started to become mainstream. I bet almost every person here has a battery-powered drill now, and that is a pretty modern invention that was not practical a couple decades ago.
Dmace
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Around here you also, Never see more than one person in a Prius, Never see one in snowy conditions, Never see one actually driving the speed limit or above, and Never stop hearing about their "carbon foot print".powerpace said:
Also, I've seen plenty on the side of the road. Typically with a dead battery which can't start the gas engine.
I've gotten real good at jump starting them with the truck. See, the batteries in the trunk and the trunk won't open with a dead battery so you have to find the connection under the hood then ground to the body or door latch according to the manual.
I wonder what the average fuel mileage would be up here where there are no flat roads, just mountains...
Your total miles is impressive, factory battery?
powerpace
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I'm thinking Calibration needs to be done.
RobertN
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Someone where I work has a Jetta TDI. It has a bumper sticker "My Diesel kicks your Hybrid's MPG!"
Dmace
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My brother has an 01 Jetta TDi, mostly highway miles he gets 50-52mpg and hand calculates every tank. It's not the most fun vehicle to drive, pretty loud, and vibrates a lot but I'd take one over a hybrid any day of the week!RobertN said:
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Smog tests on new vehicles are a criminal waste of money. Just another meaningless tax....When is the last time you saw anything belching from the exhaust since the last K-car...
Most sensor failures cause enough driveabliity problems eventually to force a repair nowadays.
I still don't get the hybrid thing...It's not a "clean car", it's a coal fired car.
rsewill
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Diamondpilot said:
Our two vehicles are VW Diesels. My next car will be electric only. I'll happily pay a premium for the privilege (just as i did for the VW's.) Hopefully the dirty mining will be cleaned up and I'll be generating my own green power. We are getting a new roof and I priced solar cells but we will not be in this home long enough to justify it although the main reason was my wife didn't like the esthetics because the solar panels would have to go on the front facing part of our roof. Now if they made panels that looked like shingles...
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orezok
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From the CA BAR page.
Q: How can I be sure a Smog Check analyzer machine is accurate?
A: All Smog Check inspection equipment must be BAR certified and in doing so meets stringent accuracy standards. Additionally, BAR certified Smog Check equipment requires calibration every three days. If the Smog Check equipment is not calibrated within that period of time, the equipment will not allow further tests until a full calibration is complete. In addition, if the equipment experiences any type of system failure, it will automatically lock out the technician from conducting further tests until a representative of the equipment manufacturer or the Bureau of Automotive Repair has identified and corrected any problems. These procedures apply to all BAR certified Smog Check equipment, whether the equipment is being used at a Smog Check station or at a Referee facility.
The machines are calibrated with a certified bottle of "smog" gas that has an exact mixture that the machine must report correctly.
George2615
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I agree with powerpace. Machine needs calibration. Never seen any vehicle do a smog test and have 0 CO and 0 HC unless it wasn't running or inspector didn't have probe in exhaust pipe.
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orezok
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The print out indicated both CO2 & O2, so it was definitely connected and running. Not to mention that I was watching!
Must be that clean Mojave air going into the intake!
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