Heart Healthy Eating

[txdon]

Anyone see or read the recent study that determined that eating fried foods had no correlation to heart health. Can someone explain what their definition of healthy is?

HS

Yes, their definition of heart health should be preempted with the words: as compared to.

In the study mentioned 40,757 Spanish adults aged 29 to 69 participated.

None of the study participants were diagnosed with heart disease prior to the beginning of the study. The participants were divided into groups on how much fried food they consumed (between 1992 and 1996) and after 11 years 606 had coronary heart disease events. Notice, this study did not check the participants for heart disease development, only events. (There were 1,135 deaths from all causes.) They found no correlation or difference between using a high or low amount of oil, sunflower oil or olive oil, the results were the same. Both groups had fried foods. Therefore both groups had the same incidence of heart disease that they did not have before the study.

To me this study means:
1. Moderation of oils does not prevent heart disease.
2. Eating fried foods can cause heart disease

I would have like to have seen the study on eating a fat free plant based diet to one eating a fried food diet. Now that would be a comparison.

Edit: There were also 712 definite, possible, or probable coronary heart disease events in addition to the 606 definite coronary heart disease events.

Here is a MI study that compared differently and got different results. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18936332

 

[txdon]

Soda, soda, soda....
So as the saying goes, "you are what you eat" plus "what you drink."

You may have something here Ron, I have been letting a few diet cola's slip into my drinking. They are now out. I had an Amy's pretzel with no butter last night, they are now out.
The lack of exercise is starting to show in my triglyceride level. I'm getting on the elliptical tonight and will start working my knee.
Labs: Total 168, Trig. 148, LDL 81, HDL 67, as you can tell these are different from the Drugstore Cholesterol test a week ago. While the LDL and HDL values are better the Triglyceride level throws it too high.
I wish they made a trusted accurate home tester so I could see immediately what makes my values fluctuate.

I was reading where If you did not have a heart event the plant based diet could start working in as little as 3 weeks. If you had a heart event It could take anywhere up to 18 months. My chest pains I had after my heart attack have gone and I will be hanging in there for the long run, tweaking along the way.

 

[pacerron]

You may have something here Ron, I have been letting a few diet cola's slip into my drinking. They are now out. I had an Amy's pretzel with no butter last night, they are now out.
The lack of exercise is starting to show in my triglyceride level. I'm getting on the elliptical tonight and will start working my knee.
Labs: Total 168, Trig. 148, LDL 81, HDL 67, as you can tell these are different from the Drugstore Cholesterol test a week ago. While the LDL and HDL values are better the Triglyceride level throws it too high.
I wish they made a trusted accurate home tester so I could see immediately what makes my values fluctuate.
I will be hanging in there for the long run, tweaking along the way.

Better stick with the real test from your doctors. The drug store tests are for folks who have not had a real test ever or for a long time. It discovers folks with extreme high sugar, and extreme cholesterol and functions to urge them to see a real doctor.
My wife says since you have been laying pavers for a while your hands/skin are probably very ruff making it hard to get a good blood sample. They probably got mainly just serum.
Drink lots of WATER, it flushes out the bad guys...

 

[arrow]

You may have something here Ron, I have been letting a few diet cola's slip into my drinking. They are now out. I had an Amy's pretzel with no butter last night, they are now out.
The lack of exercise is starting to show in my triglyceride level. I'm getting on the elliptical tonight and will start working my knee.
Labs: Total 168, Trig. 148, LDL 81, HDL 67, as you can tell these are different from the Drugstore Cholesterol test a week ago. While the LDL and HDL values are better the Triglyceride level throws it too high.
I wish they made a trusted accurate home tester so I could see immediately what makes my values fluctuate.

I was reading where If you did not have a heart event the plant based diet could start working in as little as 3 weeks. If you had a heart event It could take anywhere up to 18 months. My chest pains I had after my heart attack have gone and I will be hanging in there for the long run, tweaking along the way.

TDon if you do not mind me asking, what in your opinion is boosting your HDL figures?
When I was eating nuts I got to your level but LDL came right along. Now that I have stopped eating nuts, I've lost 20 points on my HDL side and dropped 60 points on my LDL.

 

[schweizer]

I mentioned the CHIP program by Dr. Hans Diehl earlier. Here's another one that I forgot about: the Newstart program. http://www.newstart.com/
It's an excellent program for overall health: it's an 18 day course with hands-on vegan/vegetarian diet, exercise, medical workups, etc.

Real world example:
Vegan Diet Impacts California Prison | Vegetarian Spotlight Magazine

The Ornish & Esselstyn books are great -- I'm just mentioning some more options. Both CHIP and Newstart would have more of a support system involved (staff and fellow participants) in changing your lifestyle than just reading a book and trying to follow it. Sort of like trying to stop smoking (which Newstart and CHIP are also advocating): it's much easier if you're quitting with someone else to lean on or encourage, than stopping cold turkey alone or just "tapering off".

Marcus

 

[txdon]

TDon if you do not mind me asking, what in your opinion is boosting your HDL figures?
When I was eating nuts I got to your level but LDL came right along. Now that I have stopped eating nuts, I've lost 20 points on my HDL side and dropped 60 points on my LDL.

My HDL is 57 not 67 as reported earlier. (was on cell phone) That is still up slightly for me.
1. I reduced my Beta blockers (in half), 2 weeks before the test, they are known to reduce HDL.
2. exercise - even though I missed a few days with my sore knee, I have been doing the elliptical for a 30min a day. I had been running 100 miles a month, I started running again 3 miles a day last night.

Toward the Bottom of the page Dr. Esselstyn addresses HDL.
Q&A with Dr. Esselstyn

Schweizer thanks for the links!

 

[BoFuller]

I mentioned the CHIP program by Dr. Hans Diehl earlier. Here's another one that I forgot about: the Newstart program. NEWSTART® Lifestyle Program
It's an excellent program for overall health: it's an 18 day course with hands-on vegan/vegetarian diet, exercise, medical workups, etc.

Real world example:
Vegan Diet Impacts California Prison | Vegetarian Spotlight Magazine

The Ornish & Esselstyn books are great -- I'm just mentioning some more options. Both CHIP and Newstart would have more of a support system involved (staff and fellow participants) in changing your lifestyle than just reading a book and trying to follow it. Sort of like trying to stop smoking (which Newstart and CHIP are also advocating): it's much easier if you're quitting with someone else to lean on or encourage, than stopping cold turkey alone or just "tapering off".

Marcus

Right on! Good references.

 

[arrow]

My HDL is 57 not 67 as reported earlier. (was on cell phone) That is still up slightly for me.
1. I reduced my Beta blockers (in half), 2 weeks before the test, they are known to reduce HDL.
2. exercise - even though I missed a few days with my sore knee, I have been doing the elliptical for a 30min a day. I had been running 100 miles a month, I started running again 3 miles a day last night.

Toward the Bottom of the page Dr. Esselstyn addresses HDL.
Q&A with Dr. Esselstyn

Schweizer thanks for the links!

Thanks Don

 

[houstonscott]

I think the media and food industries definition of healthy means, if you eat this product or do a certain behavior you will not get sick or injured and you will live a longer life at a higher quality. I simply don't believe that at all and they shouldn't be able to suggest that as a fact like they do each and everyday on TV and other advertising. There is no evidence to this at all, claiming something is fact from statistical analysis is not proof of fact.

HS

 

[Tollster]

I have been eating cinnamon roll oatmeal with some walnuts and golden rasins tossed in for good measure the last week or more. I found I lost about 6-8 pounds and it seems as if I am not hungery till supper time. My doc said I should loose a few pounds and my choleterol is high,so the oatmeal and walnuts have some good properties for that.
I feel better too.