Neighbor's dobermans on my land, protecting "their" property ...??

[foggy1111]

Soup!....it's whats for dinner! :thumbsup:

Wonder what dobie soup tastes like? Maybe like vegetable beast?

 

[patrick_g]

Gotta wonder if that goes back to the "open range" days of cattle drives?

That is what I thought likely, an old anachronistic obsolete law outdated but in force when it no longer makes sense.

Oklahoma used to require land owners to "post" their property or trespass was not enforceable. That was so dumb. I suppose they thought folks were so stupid they were not aware it wasn't their property they were going on.

After being THE LAW for a long time, it was modernized about 10 years back (9 or 15 or whatever, I don't recall) Now trespass is enforceable with no signage (as it should have always been.) It wasn't made a big deal of and lots of folks are not aware of the change and still put out the signs which are often a used tire on a fence post with word "Posted" painted on it. Butt ugly and a breeding ground for mosquitoes.

In the big sky country it is probably illegal to pass by a horse with your horseless buggy or to gallop your horse on main street on Sundays.

Pat

 

[Redneck in training]

All neighbor's dogs around our place are roaming including ours. One of my dogs was shot two years ago and second not dangerous (in fact very friendly) in December. We are ready to spent about 10K on a fence just as the ground thaws. Am I pissed that somebody shot my dog. You bet. Do I blame them? No. The fence will put stop to it.

 

[gengine]

In the big sky country it is probably illegal to pass by a horse with your horseless buggy or to gallop your horse on main street on Sundays.

Pat

Big sky country.....Montana?

 

[patrick_g]

Your right Foggy1111, it does go back to the cattle drive days.

Pat, that brings up a shady part of the law. If a person is going to have animals like that, then it is their responsibility to have an adequate fence to contain that animal. I know a bovine bull can probably do comparable damage as a bison, so that's where things get fuzzy.

Dmccarty, you just made me hungry

Actually I think bison are closer in destructive power to an Abrams M1-A1(without firing guns) than to a bull, even Brahma.

Here is a true story to illustrate the way it works here in cattle country: A good friend of mine who runs several hundred head of Angus got a 4 wheeler for Christmas from his son, complete with "Easy Rider Rifle Rack" with which he carried his .243. One day he heard a disturbance comprised of dog sounds and a cow. He rode over to take a look and found 5 dogs had one od his cows down. He shot 4 of them but the 5th got away. He tracked it home over the snow covered ground and saw where it had gone under his masters house.

As he rode up on the 4 wheeler a lady came to the door and called out to see what he wanted. He told her that her dog had been in a pack that attacked one of his cows. She responded that she was very sorry and that she would tell her husband when he got home and the husband would shoot the dog. My friend told her that would not be neccessary, called the dog out, shot it, loaded it on his 4 wheeler to take it for disposal and left.

Nothing became of this. This is cattle country. Rural residents of long standing know the rules. Only new arrivals from the city cause real problems for the most part. This same friend has a dog that goes every where with him, in the pickup, on foot, has a box on the tractor fender to ride along. If the dog wouldn't stay home he'd shoot it himself. Ditto other friends. My policy is that if a stray dog or two just wander through and don't stay or bother the herd I give them the benefit of the doubt, If they take an interest in stock or hang out then their status changes to rifle target. I'm singularly more lenient than any of the surrounding cattle producers.

Roaming pet dogs when in a pack (2 or more dogs) revert to wolves in their actions irrespective of their appearance or how gentle they are with the grand kids they are wolves and are governed by wolf instinct.

Pat

 

[patrick_g]

Big sky country.....Montana?

Thanks for catching that... it was one of those cowboy states...

Past

 

[MarkV]

I have lost track on this thread it has lasted so long. Do I understand it correctly that the dogs have only been seen on the OP's property one time by him almost a year ago? They ran to their fence barking once or twice since then? The owners kept control of them both times?

Guess I don't get the aggressive suggestions being made. Dogs are part of country living. If you hate dogs maybe the country isn't the place for you.

MarkV

 

[patrick_g]

I have lost track on this thread it has lasted so long. Do I understand it correctly that the dogs have only been seen on the OP's property one time by him almost a year ago? They ran to their fence barking once or twice since then? The owners kept control of them both times?

Guess I don't get the aggressive suggestions being made. Dogs are part of country living. If you hate dogs maybe the country isn't the place for you.

MarkV

Lets see if I understand obvious ramifications of your stated position.

If you don't want to risk children being attacked by seemingly vicious dogs then the country is no place for you. Country folk should just accept the loss of a child now and then in order to preserve someone else's concept of the way the country ought to be?

I suppose that includes cattle producers too. They should let dogs mutilate or kill $1000-$1500 animals cause the idea of controlling your pet spoils the freedom of country living.

I suggest folks with those sort of ideas need to live in a Disney Theme Park.

Pat

 

[MarkV]

Lets see if I understand obvious ramifications of your stated position.

If you don't want to risk children being attacked by seemingly vicious dogs then the country is no place for you. Country folk should just accept the loss of a child now and then in order to preserve someone else's concept of the way the country ought to be?

I suppose that includes cattle producers too. They should let dogs mutilate or kill $1000-$1500 animals cause the idea of controlling your pet spoils the freedom of country living.

I suggest folks with those sort of ideas need to live in a Disney Theme Park.

Pat

Come on Pat, I might well be wrong but the dogs have come on the property one time that the OP is sure of. The dogs have barked at their fence once or twice more and were controlled. Where was it ever established that these are dangerous dogs, a conception of their bred or the OP's fear of dogs?

When you bring up killing live stock we are talking something else. Of course if you have dogs that are showing they are deadly by their actions to livestock then they have to be eliminated. I haven't seen that to be the case here. I have heard of some dogs barking at someone near their turf.

You own property. Do you shoot every dog you see?

MarkV

 

[beppington]

Come on Pat, I might well be wrong but the dogs have come on the property one time that the OP is sure of. The dogs have barked at their fence once or twice more and were controlled. Where was it ever established that these are dangerous dogs, a conception of their bred or the OP's fear of dogs?

When you bring up killing live stock we are talking something else. Of course if you have dogs that are showing they are deadly by their actions to livestock then they have to be eliminated. I haven't seen that to be the case here. I have heard of some dogs barking at someone near their turf.

You own property. Do you shoot every dog you see?

MarkV

I'm supposed to wait until a child is attacked to take action?