HP to pull disk

[D7E]

Pull-type Disc Harrow

http://www.kello-bilt.com/images/stories/kello225dow.jpg

Egon this is trailed not drag ..drag does'nt have the ability to be lifted out of work position . PS i've never had any 3pt disks that were any good either .

 

[whodat526]

i can pull a ten foot pull type with a 16 hp disc all the way to the hubs





if i leave the wheels off and put the frame in the transport possition

but i have a 10ft tuffline disc that takes about a 75-85 hp to pull it correctly

 

[MMagis]

Pull-type Disc Harrow

http://www.kello-bilt.com/images/stories/kello225dow.jpg

No, those are transport disks, not pull disks.

 

[Egon]

Egon this is trailed not drag ..drag does'nt have the ability to be lifted out of work position . PS i've never had any 3pt disks that were any good either .

Thanks D7E.

I'm familiar with the Drag Disc. They were still sold when I was young Lad.

Trailed and pull terminology seem to be interchangeable.

There is a big difference in styles/types of trailed discs that involves a lot more than width to determine HP required.

D7E, visited a friends farm yesterday. Got to watch a large round bale cut and layed out in maybe a couple of minutes. The farmer wasn't very impressed when I mention the small square ones they used at one time.:thumbsup:

 

[Egon]

No, those are transport disks, not pull disks.

Transport, trailed, pull disc's may all be used interchangeably depending on the area. :thumbsup:

The Drag Disc just didn't have wheels yet.:thumbsup:

 

[MMagis]

Transport, trailed, pull disc's may all be used interchangeably depending on the area. :thumbsup:

The Drag Disc just didn't have wheels yet.:thumbsup:

You're right. I guess the point was: smaller sized drag disks are no longer available, because 3pt disks are just as effective and transportable. No one would buy a 7 drag disk these days. When you get into the larger sizes, obviously they're too big to be a 3pt so they add wheels. Those that have trouble getting results from 3pt disks simply have their set up wrong.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

This type of thread seems to come up every year or so. I have asked numerous times for people to post pictures of all these amazing feats that their tractors are able to do. No pictures as of yet. To list out at least blade size and type of disk, if tandem or offset. It amazes me that people don't seem to be able to do that. Is it all just a pack of stories? :confused3:

I know that I have an 8' & 12' offset Kilfer disks with 22" pans that are 3/16" thick. Not 100% sure about the weight. I guess that my 75 hp, 10,000lb wheel tractor and my old Cat D6 must be the most pathetic machines to ever touch the ground. With my soil condition and ground terrain those size of disks are all that my tractors want. I have run out of power with the wheeled tractor and have lost traction with the Cat. Now if one of you guys can pull these in extreme conditions with lesser machines, well all the better for you. I sure would like to see some pictures though. At least I have pictures.

 

[D7E]

I use these 24 ft on 320hp but dont like them they are too light .

 

[284 International]

MtnViewRanch's pictures and description fit in line with what I've experienced. My disk is similarly constructed, but of smaller dimensions (2 fewer disks per side, as I recall). It works very well, though, even in tough conditions. The initial cut through very hard packed soil is the tricky part. Once it's through, there is enough mass to keep it there. My three point, 6 foot tandem disk is much easier to pull, and can be handled by a smaller machine, even though it cuts wider.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I use these 24 ft on 320hp but dont like them they are too light .

D7, save yourself some fuel, any decent 40hp tractor will pull those. I would have said 5th gear, but I recommend HST just so you don't have to shift gears. :laughing:

 

[Egon]

There is a big difference in styles/types of trailed discs that involves a lot more than width to determine HP required.

Note: the above statement. Hook on to some of the Kello 8/10 foot disks!:thumbsup:

Model 325

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[Farmwithjunk]

Pull-type Disc Harrow

http://www.kello-bilt.com/images/stories/kello225dow.jpg

As mentioned, you're linking to a pull type TRANSPORT disc, NOT an antiquated, obsolete, semi-useless, worn out "drag disc" such as "someone" seems to think of as valuable and efficient. These transport disc's are rigid frames, somewhat similar (in that regard) to 3-point disc's. The old drag disc's wallow and undulate with irregulareties in soil surface, and leave a relatively "un-level" surface, as well as a poorly prepared surface (relative to rigid frames which make the soil finish level comply with the disc as opposed to disc complying to soil)

His rather novel idea of old drag disc's using less fuel is utter nonsense. Same tractor pulling 2 different styles of disc's, one using less fuel than the other equates to LESS WORK PERFORMED....It's just that simple. A disc with worn out blades doesn't cut as deep or mix soil nearly as well, which is.....LESS WORK PERFORMED.

There hasn't been a drag disc built by any major manufacturers since the VERY early '60's. REason being, they're inefficient, poor performance, and NO "new" market for them. That's because there are FAR better options.....ie, rigid frame transport disc's, 3-point disc's...... Deere TRIED to market a transport disc in the '50's and early 60's that had floating gangs. It was unpopular back then and was discontinued due to near nonexistant sales.

 

[wolc123]

Hopefully the original poster will go ahead and get that 10 foot pull-type disc he is looking at. It does not sound like he is too happy with his 3-point. There are at least 2 folks in these 4 pages of replies who seem to favor the 3-point disc (they have not yet managed to scare me off in spite of some history on the subject). I am still waiting to meet up with someone outside of computer land who has any use for a 3-point disc. On this thread at least, a few others seem to have "seen the light" on the utter uselessness of a 3-point disc, compared to other types of tillage tools. Some basic physics, that the 3-point propenents usually ignore, is the conservation of energy. More work aint always a good thing, because it means more fuel. These days that is a tough pill to swallow. I am going to guess that the original poster will reduce his fuel bill by at least 30% with that 10 foot pull-type, compared to the 8 foot 3-point disc. I know I cut my own fuel bills in half with an 8 foot pull-type compared to a 6 foot 3-point, and my crop yields actually improved a bit. The bottom line here is, like any business venture, the more cash you got left after you subtract your input costs from your output, the further ahead you are.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Well, it is pretty obvious to me that all that these old out dated disks do is give me a bunch of seat time. Other than that they are pretty much worthless. Oh, wait, If I had to pay the county to do this fire prevention, I would be out, oh, about $120,000 over the years, give or take. :2cents: Actually the disks that articulate are preferred for fire prevention uses because they flex around and get areas that a rigid disk will skip over. I've had enough fun for the day.

Now If I can just figure out how to get this done using my 32hp tractor. :confused2:

 

[MMagis]

Hopefully the original poster will go ahead and get that 10 foot pull-type disc he is looking at. It does not sound like he is too happy with his 3-point. There are at least 2 folks in these 4 pages of replies who seem to favor the 3-point disc (they have not yet managed to scare me off in spite of some history on the subject). I am still waiting to meet up with someone outside of computer land who has any use for a 3-point disc. On this thread at least, a few others seem to have "seen the light" on the utter uselessness of a 3-point disc, compared to other types of tillage tools. Some basic physics, that the 3-point propenents usually ignore, is the conservation of energy. More work aint always a good thing, because it means more fuel. These days that is a tough pill to swallow. I am going to guess that the original poster will reduce his fuel bill by at least 30% with that 10 foot pull-type, compared to the 8 foot 3-point disc. I know I cut my own fuel bills in half with an 8 foot pull-type compared to a 6 foot 3-point, and my crop yields actually improved a bit. The bottom line here is, like any business venture, the more cash you got left after you subtract your input costs from your output, the further ahead you are.

I'm really not sure how someone that passed 6th grade math can believe that. What you're saying is not physically possible. It's just that simple. If you take the time to understand how a disk works, you'd figure out how easy it is to get a 3pt disk to work well. It seems some people give up immediately and just blame the equipment.

 

[the6shooter]

I have an old howes 3 pt. disk, and it does a fair job for me. the reason I use it is because it was free. one of my customers doesn't have a tractor anymore and he said I could have it just to get it off the property. I have a 2 bottom plow and after plowing that old 3 pt. disc does a great job. I say just get what you can to get the job done.
david

 

[Egon]

As mentioned, you're linking to a pull type TRANSPORT disc, NOT an antiquated, obsolete, semi-useless, worn out "drag disc" such as "someone" seems to think of as valuable and efficient. These transport disc's are rigid frames, somewhat similar (in that regard) to 3-point disc's. The old drag disc's wallow and undulate with irregulareties in soil surface, and leave a relatively "un-level" surface, as well as a poorly prepared surface (relative to rigid frames which make the soil finish level comply with the disc as opposed to disc complying to soil)

His rather novel idea of old drag disc's using less fuel is utter nonsense. Same tractor pulling 2 different styles of disc's, one using less fuel than the other equates to LESS WORK PERFORMED....It's just that simple. A disc with worn out blades doesn't cut as deep or mix soil nearly as well, which is.....LESS WORK PERFORMED.

There hasn't been a drag disc built by any major manufacturers since the VERY early '60's. REason being, they're inefficient, poor performance, and NO "new" market for them. That's because there are FAR better options.....ie, rigid frame transport disc's, 3-point disc's...... Deere TRIED to market a transport disc in the '50's and early 60's that had floating gangs. It was unpopular back then and was discontinued due to near nonexistant sales.

Did not the Poster in Question mention only a Pull Disk??

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Did not the Poster in Question mention only a Pull Disk??

Nope...He's rambling on and on and on (in a long series of post's) about a clapped out antique DRAG disc. Try to keep up.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Hopefully the original poster will go ahead and get that 10 foot pull-type disc he is looking at. It does not sound like he is too happy with his 3-point. There are at least 2 folks in these 4 pages of replies who seem to favor the 3-point disc (they have not yet managed to scare me off in spite of some history on the subject). I am still waiting to meet up with someone outside of computer land who has any use for a 3-point disc. On this thread at least, a few others seem to have "seen the light" on the utter uselessness of a 3-point disc, compared to other types of tillage tools. Some basic physics, that the 3-point propenents usually ignore, is the conservation of energy. More work aint always a good thing, because it means more fuel. These days that is a tough pill to swallow. I am going to guess that the original poster will reduce his fuel bill by at least 30% with that 10 foot pull-type, compared to the 8 foot 3-point disc. I know I cut my own fuel bills in half with an 8 foot pull-type compared to a 6 foot 3-point, and my crop yields actually improved a bit. The bottom line here is, like any business venture, the more cash you got left after you subtract your input costs from your output, the further ahead you are.

The above post is laughable (at best) Yeild numbers? On a food plot? Come on now... You have a couple posters who agrees with you ,one ONLY because he CAN'T agree with anything commonly accepted as fact strictly for the purpose of being arguementative and obtuse. That leaves a few thousand who DON'T agree with you............ You can find more than 2 people in the world who believe the earth is flat. That doesn't make it so...........

Business venture? Now THAT's some funny stuff right there! You OBVIOUSLY have no clue what production agriculture is.....It's NOT dragging obsolete junk around in a food plot (with NO verifiable yield results, just bogus claims....)

So "less work" is your prefered end? I see....Most NORMAL people aren't after poorer results and more wasted time. THAT makes ALL your fuel useage WASTED. But you have your own agenda....The rest of us want GOOD crops, a well prepared level seed bed, and efficient use of our time and money.

Your "numbers" (on this alleged "fuel savings") change with each bogus claim you make. One time it's 50%, next 30%, another time it was 100%. Funny thing is, when someone can't tell the same story two times in a row, it becomes obvious EVERY story is just that...a "story".....

You REALLY do need to realize when people are laughing AT you and not WITH you....Keep up the good work. We ALL need a good laugh now and then!

 

[Egon]

Nope...He's rambling on and on and on (in a long series of post's) about a clapped out antique DRAG disc. Try to keep up./QUOTE]

Show us!

All I see is PULL TYPE.