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   / Global Warming? #671  
In a linear time curve maybe but no in a logarithmic one like we are experiencing. And aren't you over looking the possibility of the tooth ache causing a bacterial infection that destroys your heart valve and kills you? So maybe in ten years there is no you.
My point is that we are existing in a paradigm that has never happened before in recorded history. So maybe we better address that tooth ache!

Rob

The Key phrase is "recorded history". Anything prior to 200 years ago is a guess in recorded history. Having no one to physically measure and observe something that happened millions of years previous my thought is, a 33 years span is a blip in time. In 10,000 years when we are in the middle of an ice age those 33 or 200 or 400 years will not even show up. We can not comprehend the span of time in the Earths constant changes.

The Antarctic wasn't discovered till about 1800.
The first passage through the Northwest Passage was 1903-1906.
The Accuracy of Thermometers wasn't standardized till about the Civil War. Formal observations and recording of weather didn't happen in the U.S. till 1880's.
The World observations were not coordinated till decades after that.
The Jet Stream was not discovered till the 1940's.
Measurement of Arctic sea ice wasn't developed till the 1950's.
First satellite to monitor Arctic sea ice 1979.
Amount of time a Weather Forecast is good. About 3 days Max. And it doesn't matter how many satellites you use. That three day time period hasn't changed from the 1960's when I forecast the Weather.
 
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   / Global Warming? #672  
Actually if you look at man's activity over the last couple of hundred years since we have been using coal, oil, etc. you will see that man has influenced this planet more and in more ways than has ever been seen or recorded since man has been observing history. We live in an unprecedented time and have no real reference to compare our effects on the planet today as, say, during the first 1000 or 1500 years after Christ. In the last 10 years we have used more energy than we did in that entire period I'd say. What did they have as energy then? Whale oil, maybe kerosene lamps and wood?

One person can do about 100 watt/hours of work. (try it, sit on a bike with a generator and see how much energy it takes to make 100 watts for an hour, I'll bet most people couldn't do it) but let's say that one person can put out 100 watt hours for 8 hours which is an exorbitant amount of energy, by the way. So that = 800 Wh. A gallon of gas is about 10 KWh if I remember so 10e3/800 = 12-1/2 days of one man working (it's probably more like 20 days but we'll be conservative here)
So think about this, your wife goes to the store for a gallon of milk, picks up the kids from school and runs a few other errands. Maybe she uses 2 or 3 gallons of gas at 20 to 25 mpgs running around. So now we're talking about one person working a couple of months and we're not including the energy the farmer used to plow his fields to make that milk or the energy to pasteurize it and bring it to market. The energy to light the market, freezers, the energy to maintain the roads, stop lights, materials to make the carton, etc.
At the end of the day most families use more energy than a family 300 or 400 years ago used in a couple of decades if not a life time. That's how much energy we use without realizing it.

What's that effect on the environment? Monumental, so we can't say that 10 or 20 years is too small a period of time because time is not linear, its been distorted by our tremendous energy demands and usage, unprecedented in history, even 100 years ago.

Now, who here thinks we can keep doing this indefinitely?

Rob

I have a hard time understanding your units. Good to see you again though. :)
 
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   / Global Warming? #673  
Beyond the 200 years, we have lots of potential data from dendrochronology and ice cores and such to make some educated guesses about earlier climates. We have the reporting data from those years to lay against the tree rings and ice cores, pond, lake, sea, and river delta sediments with pollen deposits, and things I probably haven't thought of on the spur of the moment, to help us read the natural record. The science goes beyond modern reporting.
 
   / Global Warming? #674  
Beyond the 200 years, we have lots of potential data from dendrochronology and ice cores and such to make some educated guesses about earlier climates. We have the reporting data from those years to lay against the tree rings and ice cores, pond, lake, sea, and river delta sediments with pollen deposits, and things I probably haven't thought of on the spur of the moment, to help us read the natural record. The science goes beyond modern reporting.

Yes and they all show interglacial warming "now and numerous previous periods" and Glaciation. Volcanic eruption caused "no summers" that also occurred in recorded time. Numerous times of Mini Ice Ages and also higher than current CO2 levels have been discovered. During the higher than normal CO2 level, plant life was booming. Greenhouse production growers take advantage of this phenomenon by pumping more CO2 into their greenhouses to spur plant growth.
 
   / Global Warming? #676  
Bird, that storm is on it's way here!! Our local weather forecasters are in there little weatherman heaven reporting all the doom and gloom of this storm. It seems the worse it is, the more exited they get!!!

Steph says that is one of the kids say they want to be an meteoroligst, she'll beat it out of them. hahahahaha So far they have been dead wrong on just about everything that supposed to happen. Now I'm waiting around until 4pm when it's suppposed to drop twenty degrees.<snip>
Wrong again Eddie, March was the warmest ever recorded. With this you can expect cold records too, it's more than just warming.
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This quote furthers the perception I have that few people actually investigate about the "facts".

RobD - Why did you quote Eddie from 2006?
That was the THIRD post in this thread of about 700, and I didn't notice anybody mention that you were quoting a 6 year old post like it was yesterday.
 
   / Global Warming? #677  
The Key phrase is "recorded history". Anything prior to 200 years ago is a guess in recorded history. Having no one to physically measure and observe something that happened millions of years previous my thought is, a 33 years span is a blip in time. In 10,000 years when we are in the middle of an ice age those 33 or 200 or 400 years will not even show up. We can not comprehend the span of time in the Earths constant changes.

The Antarctic wasn't discovered till about 1800.
The first passage through the Northwest Passage was 1903-1906.
The Accuracy of Thermometers wasn't standardized till about the Civil War. Formal observations and recording of weather didn't happen in the U.S. till 1880's.
The World observations were not coordinated till decades after that.
The Jet Stream was not discovered till the 1940's.
Measurement of Arctic sea ice wasn't developed till the 1950's.
First satellite to monitor Arctic sea ice 1979.
Amount of time a Weather Forecast is good. About 3 days Max. And it doesn't matter how many satellites you use. That three day time period hasn't changed from the 1960's when I forecast the Weather.

I think what we can be sure of is that no peoples before us in quite some time, taped into the oil reserve... at last in the last several million years.

Rob
 
   / Global Warming? #678  
I have a hard time understanding your units. Good to see you again though. :)

Hi EE,
Yes a gallon of gas is measured in Kw, not KWh and the guy can generate 100 watts, when he does it for an hour he makes 100 Wh and after 8 hours 800 Wh. Writing faster than I'm thinking again!!

Rob
 
   / Global Warming? #679  
I think what we can be sure of is that no people's before us in quite some time, taped into the oil reserve... at last in the last several million years.

Rob

Your right. That's why developing other energy sources should be developed. Those that control the oil control you. The U.S. does not control the oil.

Global warming will come whether man had a impact or not. The Earth is not a unchanging static globe.
 
   / Global Warming? #680  
This quote furthers the perception I have that few people actually investigate about the "facts".

RobD - Why did you quote Eddie from 2006?
That was the THIRD post in this thread of about 700, and I didn't notice anybody mention that you were quoting a 6 year old post like it was yesterday.

Old age! That's where the link took me when someone posted. Or 'B' above, it's always fun to chide Eddie!

Rob
 
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