Email Subscription

[Soundguy]

multiple email accounts and handling isn't something I want to undertake either at this point.

I'll just continue to hit 'my home' and see what I'm missing so far..

 

[Scotty Dive]

multiple email accounts and handling isn't something I want to undertake either at this point.

I'll just continue to hit 'my home' and see what I'm missing so far..

I TOTALLY agree. This is no way to run a site (business) It may be free to us, but they are pulling in revenue from advertising. Also - any new members will have no idea that they need a seperate and special email address to receive forum messages.

I am on tons of different forums and this is the only one that cannot figure it out. BTW....this has been an issue since at least December of 2011.

TBN - get your act together!

 

[Soundguy]

i think it's probably limited to certain email systems.. perhaps those with more stringent spam handling.. etc. I know AT&T is rough on certain senders.. usually when problem occurs, the sender's domain is black listed for months.. in the old days when at&t actually had their own servers and were not under yahoo... you could simply send in a email and get your sender unblocked. now? fawgetaboutit....

since I've been on at&t for about 23ys I've almost never seen an announcement.

there were 2 brief periods i did get them.. was fun.

I do still get the newsletter... sometimes...

 

[aczlan]

I am on tons of different forums and this is the only one that cannot figure it out. BTW....this has been an issue since at least December of 2011.

How big are these other sites?
From what I do at work and reading between the lines of what the admins have posted, it sounds like TBN is big enough that it is getting flagged as a spammer for sending too much (very similar) email out.
Just a guess here with some guesstimated numbers, but there are 134k users on TBN and if 10% of them get 1 email notification per day, that is 13,000 emails per day. If an additional 1% of the members are very active and get 5 emails per day, that is around 19,700 emails per day.
That is a lot of emails, enough to make AOL or Yahoo complain, especially if people go and hit the spam button to get rid of the message rather then the delete button (I see 1-3 of those per week for our domain from AOL users and we only average ~20 emails/day to AOL out of ~1000 emails/day that go to the outside world)
As for Yahoo, they are a world unto themselves and don't care what anyone else does. There is NO way that I have found for a small to midsize webmaster to contact them and get a real person to find out why their emails are getting bounced, or to report a Yahoo user who is sending 20+ spam emails per day to one of your users.
Aaron Z

 

[aczlan]

i think it's probably limited to certain email systems.. perhaps those with more stringent spam handling.. etc. I know AT&T is rough on certain senders.. usually when problem occurs, the sender's domain is black listed for months.. in the old days when at&t actually had their own servers and were not under yahoo... you could simply send in a email and get your sender unblocked. now? fawgetaboutit....

What I find to be funny about the Yahoo approach is that I MIGHT get 5 spam emails per year to my gmail account which I use everywhere.
I have a Yahoo account that I haven't used in YEARS and when I re-activated it to test something for work, I started getting spam within 10 minutes.

Aaron Z

 

[Zick]

How big are these other sites?
From what I do at work and reading between the lines of what the admins have posted, it sounds like TBN is big enough that it is getting flagged as a spammer for sending too much (very similar) email out.
Just a guess here with some guesstimated numbers, but there are 134k users on TBN and if 10% of them get 1 email notification per day, that is 13,000 emails per day. If an additional 1% of the members are very active and get 5 emails per day, that is around 19,700 emails per day.
That is a lot of emails, enough to make AOL or Yahoo complain, especially if people go and hit the spam button to get rid of the message rather then the delete button (I see 1-3 of those per week for our domain from AOL users and we only average ~20 emails/day to AOL out of ~1000 emails/day that go to the outside world)
As for Yahoo, they are a world unto themselves and don't care what anyone else does. There is NO way that I have found for a small to midsize webmaster to contact them and get a real person to find out why their emails are getting bounced, or to report a Yahoo user who is sending 20+ spam emails per day to one of your users.
Aaron Z

A few that I'm on have 122K+, 167K+, 207K+ and 307K+.

 

[Soundguy]

I believe you are correct.

look at very active users.. ( blabbermouths ).. like me. I might be subscribed to 15-30 active posts per day....

also look at service outtages. I remember back when i was actually getting announcements for a while.. then tbn went down for maintenance or something.. when they came back up.. probably a HUGE amount of notices went out... that killed it again for me and it's been no announcements since. IMHO.. that large amount of traffic they passed triggered spam filters all over..e tc..

oddly enough.. I'm on at least one other site that is decently high volume.. perhaps smaller than TBN.. but larger than most of the rest of the sites, and their notices have rarely ended up in att's spam catcher. I have on very odd occasion seen one go into the spam catcher ( which is set to delete in 1 day ).. but I can only see that if I hit the webmail section.. using a offline client like i do 99.99999999999% of the time.. i never see any 'caught' spam as anything spam or in my restrict / ignore box is set to delete at server.. etc..


soundguy

How big are these other sites?
From what I do at work and reading between the lines of what the admins have posted, it sounds like TBN is big enough that it is getting flagged as a spammer for sending too much (very similar) email out.
Just a guess here with some guesstimated numbers, but there are 134k users on TBN and if 10% of them get 1 email notification per day, that is 13,000 emails per day. If an additional 1% of the members are very active and get 5 emails per day, that is around 19,700 emails per day.
That is a lot of emails, enough to make AOL or Yahoo complain, especially if people go and hit the spam button to get rid of the message rather then the delete button (I see 1-3 of those per week for our domain from AOL users and we only average ~20 emails/day to AOL out of ~1000 emails/day that go to the outside world)
As for Yahoo, they are a world unto themselves and don't care what anyone else does. There is NO way that I have found for a small to midsize webmaster to contact them and get a real person to find out why their emails are getting bounced, or to report a Yahoo user who is sending 20+ spam emails per day to one of your users.
Aaron Z

 

[aczlan]

I believe you are correct.
look at very active users.. ( blabbermouths ).. like me. I might be subscribed to 15-30 active posts per day....

I figured that there were some of those, but didn't want to point them out

also look at service outtages. I remember back when i was actually getting announcements for a while.. then tbn went down for maintenance or something.. when they came back up.. probably a HUGE amount of notices went out... that killed it again for me and it's been no announcements since. IMHO.. that large amount of traffic they passed triggered spam filters all over..e tc..

IIRC, TBN changed IP addresses at that time as well which probbaly made yahoo VERY unhappy. When we did that (changed the outgoing address from .1 to .254 of the same subnet) it took 3 weeks for Yahoo to get used to the new address, even though everything was correct in our DNS records.
Speaking of DNS records, I got a notification of a PM and in the headers, it said that

Received-SPF: softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning nobody@imcuniverse.com does not designate 208.100.21.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=208.100.21.177;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning nobody@imcuniverse.com does not designate 208.100.21.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@imcuniverse.com
Received: by webserv3.imcuniverse.com (Postfix, from userid 65534)

IMO, that is where the one of the problems is... Yahoo is forcing people to use SPF and if you dont have it, it can cause problems with sending emails.


Just my $0.02

Aaron Z

 

[Soundguy]

interesting...

 

[aczlan]

interesting...

Very. We have an offsite vendor who sends out the bulk of our emails (from the outside, it would look like imcuniverse.com vs tractorbynet.com for the sender), but we added them to our SPF record and have had no noticeable problems with bounced emails form anyone (other than people mistyping email addresses).

Aaron Z