Broken again, loosing faith

[Jesse masterson]

I am so much in agreement with the past few posts not everyone was born on a farm , I drove tractors for farmers but never realy worked on them I had no concept of what dead heading a hydraulic pump meant. Sometimes 1 must understand not everyone has the same mechanical experience as others yet when I got my dk 45 I pulled the lever and the sound just didn't sound good so I immediaty pushed it in neutral went to the phone to ask what it's for. I consider myself as intelligent as the next guy but still could have done damage that a warnig sticker could have prevented. And I should add I like the feature but people should be warned of it's consequences.and ig a representative from winchester ( a kioti dealer) sold guns to a abused women group for self defense and handed them the gun with no warning of the consequences would Winchester be at fault . **** yes.

 

[schweizer]

It's been beaten to death already but I sure am happy I didn't have to add another valve w/ detent function just because I want to use my backhoe. The detent function is there for a reason. There's all kinds of buttons and levers and knobs on equipment. You are responsible for knowing what they do before pushing and pulling them, or face the consequences. Doesn't matter if you're a tractor newbie or not. Get to know the tractor thoroughly before taking it off the dealer's lot, and read the manual!

Now for a (stupid) question on similar vein of thought, if "B" position ("pull back") activates the rear remotes, what is "A" (push forward) commonly used for? I've owned my tractor 4 years and never thought about it. At work and can't go check under the tractor... guess I'll have to look when I get home.

Marcus

 

[murphy1244]

It's been beaten to death already but I sure am happy I didn't have to add another valve w/ detent function just because I want to use my backhoe. The detent function is there for a reason. There's all kinds of buttons and levers and knobs on equipment. You are responsible for knowing what they do before pushing and pulling them, or face the consequences. Doesn't matter if you're a tractor newbie or not. Get to know the tractor thoroughly before taking it off the dealer's lot, and read the manual!

Now for a (stupid) question on similar vein of thought, if "B" position ("pull back") activates the rear remotes, what is "A" (push forward) commonly used for? I've owned my tractor 4 years and never thought about it. At work and can't go check under the tractor... guess I'll have to look when I get home.

Marcus

If you put the lever in A the fluid goes to the A port on the back of your tractor. If you put it in B it goes to the B port.
Works great for a top link.

 

[IslandTractor]

If you put the lever in A the fluid goes to the A port on the back of your tractor. If you put it in B it goes to the B port.
Works great for a top link.

Yep, that way, if you are disorganized as I am and forget to mark the backhoe hoses, you can maintain the correct flow and control orientation in case you hook it up backwards.

Regarding top link, I use the remote with the detents for that so I can feather the flow more easily. I use the other one for the BH

 

[schweizer]

Great! I just assumed one port was return-to-tank and the other was pressurized. So, I marked a backhoe hose and its matching port w/ red electrical tape so I didn't get them switched. Learn something new every day.

 

[murphy1244]

Yep, that way, if you are disorganized as I am and forget to mark the backhoe hoses, you can maintain the correct flow and control orientation in case you hook it up backwards.

Regarding top link, I use the remote with the detents for that so I can feather the flow more easily. I use the other one for the BH

I am having the 2nd set of remotes done so I can run a grapple but it will have to wait awhile.

 

[IslandTractor]

I am having the 2nd set of remotes done so I can run a grapple but it will have to wait awhile.

I'd use the spring loaded one for grapple control. Again, the feathering will be easier.

 

[phiferpharm]

I'd use the spring loaded one for grapple control. Again, the feathering will be easier.

Yup. Since I got the grapple with the tractor, it runs off the "stick". I must admit, I did leave it in detent by accident when I shut down yesterday morning and for a second couldn't figure out why my carry-all was not going up correctly when I restarted in the afternoon. Pushed it to neutral and all was right with the world.

 

[aczlan]

Look I agree with you the detent's could be a problem, so I and my dealer dealt with the problem. For others the detents are not a problem, they are a feature that they like and want to keep. As are many other hydraulic valves set up and configured this way. It is an industry practice to have some valves in a valve stack set up in different ways. just Like Kioti sets up the first valve with detents and the second without...It is accepted. Please do not take these comments as any kind of personal attack on you or your logic.. I just see things a little differently I guess. Take care

I agree that this can be a feature depending on what you want to do with your machine. My issue is mainly that Kioti has not documented this feature in any way. I should be able to read the manual and know that this lever is detented. I can read the manual for a Glock 19 and learn that it doesn't have a safety "switch" that needs to be disengaged before I fire (not that I or anyone else should put their finger in the trigger guard of a gun unless ready to fire), I can't read the manual for a Kioti and learn that the lever is detented or that it shouldn't be left in engaged position.
Thanks for the entertaining discussion, I did not (nor do I) see it as a personal attack, I just find it odd that:
1. This feature and its pitfalls are well known to Kioti users and dealers (to the point that some dealers will insist to removing the detents)
2. There have been enough issues that Kioti has said that they will not cover problems arising from this feature accidently being activated under their warranty
3. There isnt any kind of warning, labeling or notification ANYWHERE in the user accessible documentation or signage saying that bad things will happen to those tho leave the lever in the detented position without something connected to allow flow between the ports

My $0.02, have a good evening.

Aaron Z

 

[IslandTractor]

I agree that this can be a feature depending on what you want to do with your machine. My issue is mainly that Kioti has not documented this feature in any way. I should be able to read the manual and know that this lever is detented.

I agree. The proper use of valves and associated pitfalls should be more carefully documented. There is a balance between exaggerated lawyer provoked warning labels and no useful information. The owner's manual is currently more of a "where do I find this part" and "how often do I change the oil" type of document than a useful general operator's manual for safe and efficient tractor use. Commercial operators may not need a detailed operator's manual but the rest of us do. I find the optional service manual to be well written, well illustrated and informative on most subjects but I don't recall even there any section on hydraulic valves. It is almost as though the manufacturer considers the remote valves to be someone else's responsibility just as they would regard 3PT attachments to be outside the scope of their base documentation. Wrong.