BX25 Front and Rear 2" Receivers

[Artisan]

Thanx for the pics, I would love to see other ideas.

I too have a welder and my time is free. Ocassionally I find things that
I would perfer to buy instead of make. If someone made a quality BX25
receiver that goes UNDER the front and is easy on and off I think they
would have a good lil part to sell. I have not nailed a design yet. I
guess I must keep looking at it, it will come to me sans I find it premade
for a fair price.

The bolt pattern at the rear, those 4 bolts. That pattern is similar to
some of these step bumper bolt on units. I wonder if there is method
to their madness and no one has figured it out yet, as in there IS a
bolt on widget designed just for it. I wonder if there is a Kubota receiver
for another tractor that fits that?

My main goal is to make self recovery* easier, I want SOLID connections.
After that I bet I find other things to do w/ them. Juri would work for me
but the cost makes it undesirable. BXpand does not distribute pressures
enough for me. The step bumper route looks good, but I HATE to oblong
holes in metal. I make a drawing for the rear, maybe incorporate some
safety chain holes and something cool too. What "cool" is I do not
know yet...

I guess I will measure up that rear bolt pattern and water cut a plate
and weld a receiver to it for the rear and the front, I want it UNDER
and in front of the frame.

Ran out of money a long time ago, getting a canopy for BD in 2 weeks,
it adds a LOT of places to hang more krap . Were gettin' close to
being able to call it "mine".

*there are two kinds of tractor drivers, those that have been stuck and
those how are GOING to get stuck! (If not your livin' on the edge!)

 

[BXpanded]

BXpand does not distribute pressures
enough for me.


*there are two kinds of tractor drivers, those that have been stuck and
those how are GOING to get stuck! (If not your livin' on the edge!)

No offense taken, but I'm not quite sure what you mean by that??? The Bxpanded hitch attaches to what is probably the strongest point on the whole tractor and the only place that Kubota recommends using for towing. You could easily pick the BX up and shake it with that hitch.

 

[wrooster]

BXpand does not distribute pressures enough for me.

In the picture below, please demonstrate a stronger place or stronger method to attach the hitch...

For that matter, a BX weighs about 1500-1600 pounds and has relatively wide tires -- you are going to run out of ground traction a long time before you will cause anything approaching appreciable strain on the tow bar mount point.

If you are concerned about getting your BX stuck in muddy muck, and having to pull it out with a pickup or larger tractor, it's in part because the BX -- with it's very limited ground clearance -- is not really suited for muddy muck.

I have used the BXpanded receiver assembly (along with a huge *** D ring adapter) for a variety of applications, mostly pulling, and never had a problem with the hitch. Traction, yes. Hitch, no.

Wrooster

 

[smp999]

Here's mine
I got the bumper step hitch on sale for $20, reg $49.
Attached using 4 half-inch bolts

Does not get the way of FEL operation.

 

[Artisan]

WHERE did "I" say Harrys hitch was a pos? NO WHERE, THATS WHERE.

wrooster it matters not what I say you will troll it into world war three,
this is your typical attack when you disagree, condescending and rude,
but because I like Harry's products so much and maybe because
there are folks such as yourself that will attempt to turn my
opinion into something that it clearly is not, I'll elaborate, ONLY
to make it clear, I am a BIG FAN of Harry's products, and to
express that there is not one nano ounce of disparagement
in my statement, which was, and IS;
"BXpand does not distribute pressures enough for me."
WHAT IS THE LAST WORD IN MY STATEMENT? Where
does that say it is a worthless piece of scrap? Where does
it say it is no good? :confused2:

As Harry says "You could easily pick the BX up and shake it with that hitch"
I disagree, It will probaly hold THREE fully outfitted BX25's w/ BH's
and FEL's all attached and hanging off one of Harrys fine hitchs. Looks
tough as nails to me and it is a most excellant choice for anyone for
all normal uses! :thumbsup: Heck it appears to install w/o tools too and I would
suggest that alone makes it VERY attractive to many a buyer.

Sure, OK, I will show you a hitch that IMO, now remember we all have them,
IMO THIS (see pic below) is a "stronger method to attach the hitch";

Note 4 bolts in compression that marry the unit to the frame making it "one", and
not really part of my statement in question, but prpbably adds 3+ times the shear,
NOT that the tractor would ever see it, but relative it is.

Or am I not allowed an opinion? You really going to argue with me on this?

My statement "BXpand does not distribute pressures enough for me." will
not change based on what "I" anticipate possibly using it for but you just
keep on assuming and suggesting that I plan on pulling straight back only
and I will keep laughing...

FWIW, I do believe I also stated; "I want SOLID connections." I do not
place slipon anythings in that catagory. That does NOT mean it
is no good!

SO, IMO, 4 bolts in compression marrying a reinforced plate as pictured to
the OE frame distributes pressures better, wait, what did I say? "IMO".
(and you know what, I bet ya a non biased structural engineer would
WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree w/ me)

 

[wrooster]

wrooster it matters not what I say you will troll it into world war three,
this is your typical attack when you disagree, condescending and rude

The Internet -- it is very serious business to you. This much is clear. :laughing:

BTW -- I'll wait here while you go off and find a thread on TBN in which I was "trolling", either by my own admission or as decried by anyone else.

Still waiting.

Yep, that's what I thought.

Heck it appears to install w/o tools too and I would
suggest that alone makes it VERY attractive to many a buyer.

Yes, there is the added benefit of the additional flexibility of being able to attach/detach the BXpanded hitch receiver in about 3 seconds. I should point out that the folks at BXpanded might want to think about making a compatible attachment plate for the front of the BX. This inexpensive plate, once mounted to the tractor, would allow the BXpanded hitch receiver to be used at either the rear or the front. Very handy.

(and you know what, I bet ya a non biased structural engineer would WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree w/ me)

The practical person in me shoots the degreed engineer in me whenever the degreed engineer becomes overly concerned with things that one should not be concerned about in actual practical application.

By all means, you can go ahead attach your heavily reinforced weldment to the BX using 1/2" dia Grade 8 bolts and Loctite Red.

Wrooster

 

[Tractor Seabee]

WHERE did "I" say Harrys hitch was a pos? NO WHERE, THATS WHERE.

wrooster it matters not what I say you will troll it into world war three,
this is your typical attack when you disagree, condescending and rude,
but because I like Harry's products so much and maybe because
there are folks such as yourself that will attempt to turn my
opinion into something that it clearly is not, I'll elaborate, ONLY
to make it clear, I am a BIG FAN of Harry's products, and to
express that there is not one nano ounce of disparagement
in my statement, which was, and IS;
"BXpand does not distribute pressures enough for me."
WHAT IS THE LAST WORD IN MY STATEMENT? Where
does that say it is a worthless piece of scrap? Where does
it say it is no good? :confused2:

As Harry says "You could easily pick the BX up and shake it with that hitch"
I disagree, It will probaly hold THREE fully outfitted BX25's w/ BH's
and FEL's all attached and hanging off one of Harrys fine hitchs. Looks
tough as nails to me and it is a most excellant choice for anyone for
all normal uses! :thumbsup: Heck it appears to install w/o tools too and I would
suggest that alone makes it VERY attractive to many a buyer.

Sure, OK, I will show you a hitch that IMO, now remember we all have them,
IMO THIS (see pic below) is a "stronger method to attach the hitch";

Note 4 bolts in compression that marry the unit to the frame making it "one", and
not really part of my statement in question, but prpbably adds 3+ times the shear,
NOT that the tractor would ever see it, but relative it is.

Or am I not allowed an opinion? You really going to argue with me on this?

My statement "BXpand does not distribute pressures enough for me." will
not change based on what "I" anticipate possibly using it for but you just
keep on assuming and suggesting that I plan on pulling straight back only
and I will keep laughing...

FWIW, I do believe I also stated; "I want SOLID connections." I do not
place slipon anythings in that catagory. That does NOT mean it
is no good!

SO, IMO, 4 bolts in compression marrying a reinforced plate as pictured to
the OE frame distributes pressures better, wait, what did I say? "IMO".
(and you know what, I bet ya a non biased structural engineer would
WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree w/ me)

Artisan, AMEN. Your arrangement will sustain any stress the BX 25 is capable of exerting. I am going to do something similar, not sure what yet but I will make it. When I get my logging winch for PTO power I have a design planned to attach it to the BH mount whicc will but the load directly onto the frame. My big concern with the winch is anchoring the tractor frame so I do not flip it endo. Looking at the front reciever to solve that and anchor to a tree. Then all the stress is on that sturdy frame. If you have ever looked at a Cub Cadet SCUT you would not try my scheme for the logging winch. It is stamped channel as opposed to Kubota's structural shapes.

Ron

 

[Tractor Seabee]

WHERE did "I" say Harrys hitch was a pos? NO WHERE, THATS WHERE.

wrooster it matters not what I say you will troll it into world war three,
this is your typical attack when you disagree, condescending and rude,
but because I like Harry's products so much and maybe because
there are folks such as yourself that will attempt to turn my
opinion into something that it clearly is not, I'll elaborate, ONLY
to make it clear, I am a BIG FAN of Harry's products, and to
express that there is not one nano ounce of disparagement
in my statement, which was, and IS;
"BXpand does not distribute pressures enough for me."
WHAT IS THE LAST WORD IN MY STATEMENT? Where
does that say it is a worthless piece of scrap? Where does
it say it is no good? :confused2:

As Harry says "You could easily pick the BX up and shake it with that hitch"
I disagree, It will probaly hold THREE fully outfitted BX25's w/ BH's
and FEL's all attached and hanging off one of Harrys fine hitchs. Looks
tough as nails to me and it is a most excellant choice for anyone for
all normal uses! :thumbsup: Heck it appears to install w/o tools too and I would
suggest that alone makes it VERY attractive to many a buyer.

Sure, OK, I will show you a hitch that IMO, now remember we all have them,
IMO THIS (see pic below) is a "stronger method to attach the hitch";

Note 4 bolts in compression that marry the unit to the frame making it "one", and
not really part of my statement in question, but prpbably adds 3+ times the shear,
NOT that the tractor would ever see it, but relative it is.

Or am I not allowed an opinion? You really going to argue with me on this?

My statement "BXpand does not distribute pressures enough for me." will
not change based on what "I" anticipate possibly using it for but you just
keep on assuming and suggesting that I plan on pulling straight back only
and I will keep laughing...

FWIW, I do believe I also stated; "I want SOLID connections." I do not
place slipon anythings in that catagory. That does NOT mean it
is no good!

SO, IMO, 4 bolts in compression marrying a reinforced plate as pictured to
the OE frame distributes pressures better, wait, what did I say? "IMO".
(and you know what, I bet ya a non biased structural engineer would
WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree w/ me)

Artisan, second thought after looking at your pictures again, I do not like the low tie down you are useing as the 25 is top heavy anyway. I normally have the BH on when transporting so tie down across it, if BH is off I use the upper BH mounts. I like to really pull down on the tires.

Ron

 

[radair]

Artisan, second thought after looking at your pictures again, I do not like the low tie down you are useing as the 25 is top heavy anyway. I normally have the BH on when transporting so tie down across it, if BH is off I use the upper BH mounts. I like to really pull down on the tires.

Ron

Lower is safer. Any pull point above the elevation of the axle has potential for flipping the tractor over backwards.

I am a non-biased structural engineer. Artisan's pictured 4-bolt connection is definitely superior to a 2-bolt connection (which is NOT to say the 2-bolt is not adequate for anticipated loads). BTW, those 4 bolts are loaded in shear, not compression.

 

[Tractor Seabee]

Lower is safer. Any pull point above the elevation of the axle has potential for flipping the tractor over backwards.

I am a non-biased structural engineer. Artisan's pictured 4-bolt connection is definitely superior to a 2-bolt connection (which is NOT to say the 2-bolt is not adequate for anticipated loads). BTW, those 4 bolts are loaded in shear, not compression.

Radir, I was refering to the tie down transport straps. The goal of transport tie is to make the load integral with the platform to eliminate movement which dynamically loads the straps. I agree, the lower down you pull a lateral load the less chance of a end over end flip. That is why I plan my logging winch tied to the BH mount; keep it low and directly loading the frame. The 3PT hitch would be a weak link.

Ron