Oil change recommedations

[rswyan]

I've been running Shell Rotella Synthetic 5w40 in the B2910 for the last 1000 hours or so .... no complaints (other than price :laughing

I'll be changing the oil later today (hopefully) and will be switching over to Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5w40.

I've been running Mobil 1 0w40 "European Car Formula" in the Dodge (Mercedes 5 cylinder diesel) Sprinter van for the entirety of it's 376,000 miles (save for one OC) and the UOA's have shown very low wear numbers. May switch that one over to M1 TDT as well.

 

[Mike_Kanzer]

Stopped at dealer today to pick up the oil/filter. He puts Rotella T 15w-40 in all the tractors he services, so that's what I got for my L3830 - Thanks for the feedback guys.

 

[sw03]

kinda the same here. I have a mix of diesel and gas tractors. I use 15w40 for all them.. thus the gassers are geting a benefit.

my truck diesels and 1 tractor are getting synthetic.. I want the engines lasting...

I remember years ago, cowboydoc days, you stated you use traveler oil in my antiques, and valvolene oil in my 'new' ones Or you stated you use "regular oil" and be fine..

So now synthetic will make the engine last longer? I use synthetics and that question is something no one can prove.So why did you change since you nailed a few old users on it.

 

[Soundguy]

I remember years ago, cowboydoc days, you stated you use traveler oil in my antiques, and valvolene oil in my 'new' ones Or you stated you use "regular oil" and be fine..

.So why did you change .

so you are judging what I put in my tractors now, based on what I put in my tractors in 2002.. and same for my trucks?

I didn't own a diesel truck let alone 2 back in 02.. So that point is moot. ( though the ones I own now ARE getting valvoline )

I had but 1 diesel tractor back then.. and it got 'regular' dino 15w40. that still holds true. no change.

i now have more diesel tractors. guess what. same deal.. STILL using dino 15w40 in them???

same with my gassers.. still dino oil. about the only change is brand. Traveler is no loger the best price / value oil. I've switched to another brand.

I do have a tractor, as mentioned on synthetic. i recently rebuilt the top end due to bent push rods and stuck valves... that one is getting synthetic.

so.. nothing I've stated disagrees with anything I stated before.. I've simply changed brands and added machines and serviced them accordingly.

Any other 10 year old info you'd like to pull up and try to misconstrue as an untruth? or was that enough????

I changed brands. i don't see that as an issue. as for the ADDITION. It would have been impossible for me to write a post covering units I would not own till the future.. thus my comments can't be looked at in hindsite and seriously be applied to events that happened AFTER they were made?

 

[Soundguy]

.So why did you change since you nailed a few old users on it.

Different circumstances..

the 1 tractor i put on syn after working on the engine, I did so for the detergent effect to clean the engine up. I had gotten alot of fuel related deposits ( my theory ) in the top end.. etc.

as for the syn in my trucks. As I stated before.. i didn't have those diesels back then.. I do now. when i got them, they had been run on synthetics. i chose to continue to do so for a number of reasons. extended oil change was the least of those reasons. More for temperature handling for the turbo engines, especially since I use them on extended hauls pulling heavy loads. these trucks have high ratio rear ends.. one is a 4.88 rear meaning to run interstate speed I'm nearing redline. a syn gives me a lil more leeway on a hard pull to prevent oil breakdown.

in any case.. you are attempting to compair apples to future pears.. thus no comparison at all to the circumstances I was in then, and now.

IMHO.. extended drain intervals are still the least of my concern when considering a synthetic. I have been doing some testing on some syns int he way of UOA. on an engine needing 5qts oil.. it's not a good retun on investment.. on an engine needing 15 qts.. it becomes reasonable.

add to that that dino oil tech, especially with reguard to diesel oil and particulate filtration is an entire different ballgame than 10ys ago.

on my old gasser tractors, I'd still rather go with a less cost dino oil, and change the oil 2x as often, vs an extended change on syn, as I want 2x oil changes per year.

using a 15w40 C(s) rated oil in them old gassers is a benefit over a ZDDP depleted S rated oil made nowadays for environmental purposes.

again. stuff that happened a decade ago has changed due to materials changes and circumstance changes...

soundguy

 

[sw03]

Different circumstances..

the 1 tractor i put on syn after working on the engine, I did so for the detergent effect to clean the engine up. I had gotten alot of fuel related deposits ( my theory ) in the top end.. etc.

as for the syn in my trucks. As I stated before.. i didn't have those diesels back then.. I do now. when i got them, they had been run on synthetics. i chose to continue to do so for a number of reasons. extended oil change was the least of those reasons. More for temperature handling for the turbo engines, especially since I use them on extended hauls pulling heavy loads. these trucks have high ratio rear ends.. one is a 4.88 rear meaning to run interstate speed I'm nearing redline. a syn gives me a lil more leeway on a hard pull to prevent oil breakdown.

in any case.. you are attempting to compair apples to future pears.. thus no comparison at all to the circumstances I was in then, and now.

IMHO.. extended drain intervals are still the least of my concern when considering a synthetic. I have been doing some testing on some syns int he way of UOA. on an engine needing 5qts oil.. it's not a good retun on investment.. on an engine needing 15 qts.. it becomes reasonable.

add to that that dino oil tech, especially with reguard to diesel oil and particulate filtration is an entire different ballgame than 10ys ago.

on my old gasser tractors, I'd still rather go with a less cost dino oil, and change the oil 2x as often, vs an extended change on syn, as I want 2x oil changes per year.

using a 15w40 C(s) rated oil in them old gassers is a benefit over a ZDDP depleted S rated oil made nowadays for environmental purposes.

again. stuff that happened a decade ago has changed due to materials changes and circumstance changes...

soundguy

What are YOU expecting on a return from a UOA using synthetic? Funny the military does not have set milage for drains (90,000 lb trucks; I work there). All are done by UOA, for cost savings etc. UOA are worth there weight in gold if you use them correctly. Not getting into it since this is a old topic.

So if you are still holding the same why did you change? For top end cleanup is pretty lame. MMO will do it when added to oil. Years ago dino was crap for a turbo and you think it has changed? 800 to 1,000 F is great on shut-down for a cheaper oil.

Sounds like you are playing both sides. I am making it a point since you nailed alot of users for wasting money etc and now it is okay. Just comical since it sounds like they had added value [back then] that you did not get to there level of use yet. Nothing personal just funny ....Hence, why this is not the forum for oil talk...lacking....and yes I stop in at time..

 

[Soundguy]

What are YOU expecting on a return from a UOA using synthetic? Funny the military does not have set milage for drains (90,000 lb trucks; I work there). All are done by UOA, for cost savings etc. UOA are worth there weight in gold if you use them correctly. Not getting into it since this is a old topic.

So if you are still holding the same why did you change? For top end cleanup is pretty lame. MMO will do it when added to oil. Years ago dino was crap for a turbo and you think it has changed? 800 to 1,000 F is great on shut-down for a cheaper oil.

Sounds like you are playing both sides. I am making it a point since you nailed alot of users for wasting money etc and now it is okay. Just comical since it sounds like they had added value [back then] that you did not get to there level of use yet. Nothing personal just funny ....Hence, why this is not the forum for oil talk...lacking....and yes I stop in at time..

i'm guessing you DID NOT read any of my post.. at all.

I said I WAS doing some UOA to see what's going on. you seem to state otherwise.

I also said on my turbo machines I WAS using synthetics. you seem to state otherwise.

What cheanged? EVERYTHING changed. oil types, formulations, machines, circumstances. everything changes except the old gassers I have.. and for those.. they still get the same old oil they got back 'then'. And I still like a cheaper dino oil in them for multiple changes vs a spendy synthetic.

As for detergent action of a synthetic.. I believe you are very much underestimating it's ability. in any case. that engine I put back together is a test case. It was designed for dino oil, ran dino oil all it's life, I swapepd it to syn after the rebuild. it sure won't hurt it any.. I'm checking to see if it will clean it any better. thus the test. I already had been using MMO in my oil .. so can't throw that into the mix.

this weird ethanol, water friendly gas we are getting now seems to be a problem for many small gas engine owners. on other forums I've seen a huge rise in small gas engine failures, everything from plugged and gummed fuel systems to seized engines. of course the complaints are tapering off now as the move to ethanol was a while abck and the damage is done and almost forgotton now. the antique tractor community is still seeing some effects due to low hour usage machines still subcoming.

I'm not palyiong both sides of anything. I like a dino oil for multiple changes vs a more expensive syn and a singe change on my gassers. same thing i said 10 ys ago. my gassers are still getting dino. brands may have changed.. and weights, but that's about it. I used to keep some on 30w etc.. and switched just about everything to 15w40 foe a couple reasons. keeping 1 'most' used oil around lets me stock less oil types, plus I can buy in more bulk for more cost savings. 15w40 is a good multi weight oil that has good temp range coverage for the region I'm in. it's a decent weight oil for a machine designed to run 10w to 20w in the winter, 30w normally, and 40w in hot weather. pretty much covers the entire range int he owners manual, all in 1 oil. add to the fact that the epa zapped zddp levels in S rated oil a few years back, thus using a C(s) rated oil is a wise choice for flat tappet engines.

as for changes.. i have some diesel equipment now.. new equipment.. new practices.

if you'd like to argue, lets go to email.

if you'd rather sling mud.. lets not do it at all.

I consider this my last post on this topic cluttering the forum. again.. you've been invited to email if you wish.. or if you want to sling mud..I'll just add you to the ignore list. I've no desire to clutter this forum up with someone attacking me on a difference of practice, on different equiopment that I didn't own 10ys ago.


i've explained my thoughts pretty clearly, not hasing words. i explained what i did for servicing practices then and now, and why I made those choices. you can choose to argue with what i did or why.. or move on... your call as I'm done on the topic. I've explained myself about 4 times now, as youve asked. clearly. in the open.

soundguy

 

[sw03]

i'm guessing you DID NOT read any of my post.. at all.

I said I WAS doing some UOA to see what's going on. you seem to state otherwise.

I also said on my turbo machines I WAS using synthetics. you seem to state otherwise.

What cheanged? EVERYTHING changed. oil types, formulations, machines, circumstances. everything changes except the old gassers I have.. and for those.. they still get the same old oil they got back 'then'. And I still like a cheaper dino oil in them for multiple changes vs a spendy synthetic.

As for detergent action of a synthetic.. I believe you are very much underestimating it's ability. in any case. that engine I put back together is a test case. It was designed for dino oil, ran dino oil all it's life, I swapepd it to syn after the rebuild. it sure won't hurt it any.. I'm checking to see if it will clean it any better. thus the test. I already had been using MMO in my oil .. so can't throw that into the mix.

this weird ethanol, water friendly gas we are getting now seems to be a problem for many small gas engine owners. on other forums I've seen a huge rise in small gas engine failures, everything from plugged and gummed fuel systems to seized engines. of course the complaints are tapering off now as the move to ethanol was a while abck and the damage is done and almost forgotton now. the antique tractor community is still seeing some effects due to low hour usage machines still subcoming.

I'm not palyiong both sides of anything. I like a dino oil for multiple changes vs a more expensive syn and a singe change on my gassers. same thing i said 10 ys ago. my gassers are still getting dino. brands may have changed.. and weights, but that's about it. I used to keep some on 30w etc.. and switched just about everything to 15w40 foe a couple reasons. keeping 1 'most' used oil around lets me stock less oil types, plus I can buy in more bulk for more cost savings. 15w40 is a good multi weight oil that has good temp range coverage for the region I'm in. it's a decent weight oil for a machine designed to run 10w to 20w in the winter, 30w normally, and 40w in hot weather. pretty much covers the entire range int he owners manual, all in 1 oil. add to the fact that the epa zapped zddp levels in S rated oil a few years back, thus using a C(s) rated oil is a wise choice for flat tappet engines.

as for changes.. i have some diesel equipment now.. new equipment.. new practices.

if you'd like to argue, lets go to email.

if you'd rather sling mud.. lets not do it at all.

I consider this my last post on this topic cluttering the forum. again.. you've been invited to email if you wish.. or if you want to sling mud..I'll just add you to the ignore list. I've no desire to clutter this forum up with someone attacking me on a difference of practice, on different equiopment that I didn't own 10ys ago.


i've explained my thoughts pretty clearly, not hasing words. i explained what i did for servicing practices then and now, and why I made those choices. you can choose to argue with what i did or why.. or move on... your call as I'm done on the topic. I've explained myself about 4 times now, as youve asked. clearly. in the open.

soundguy

This is why years ago it was a joke to post anything hat did not agree with you. Case in point you nailed people years ago, now they are right (go figutr); since you have, oh boy, "new practices. "...maybe they had them long before you did; but, you nailed them then...Still pointless years later that 90% of users will not get it...Cowboydoc left and so did others, for good reasons I think. Lack of understanding............for 1 thing..,,,,seems, based on your postings now, you have issues with this topic..take it to PM or emails since this is the same issues from years ago...amazing.

 

[Soundguy]

cowboydoc and I talked often.. i'd venture to say we were friends

 

[sw03]

good for you..Cowboydoc is well, I have several emails from users on what he did to them out there (played mr Doc) ..If you are friends, you can have him...