Law Enforcement

[jlawso21]

The individual cop can do only two things. First, do the best job they can with the utmost integrity. Be above reproach in deed as well as in appearance. Second, understand the situation they are in with regard to the public eye. Know that they are being watched. Don't like that approach, think it's unfair, then get another career.

I knew a preacher 30 years ago that would not let a woman parishoner ride in the front seat of his car. He would literally make them get in the back seat if riding in his car. I laughed about this and asked him why? He replied that it mattered just as much what people thought about his faithfulness to his wife and his vows as did the facts. I thought about that some and decided he was pretty wise. I tried to follow his advice, in my own way, throughout my own career, attending to not only acting properly or honestly but also maintaining what I thought was the proper approach in public for the job I held.

The legal system today does not act in a very responsible or honest way in some cases. When the judge started haranguing defendants about paying their lawyer I thought it was unseemly and dirty and opened up the court to ridicule, which I am obliging them with. I thought about how I was raised and how when I had been in court earlier I was awed, now I am disgusted.

If you have a career in the public eye, which most are, then you better take care of your public personae.

 

[Domush]

Have you done any of this? http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/idtheft/idt04.pdf

For a long time I did nothing but deal with that list and credit agencies, collections, etc., as getting a job without a credit check is pretty near impossible, especially in my vocation. ID theft is rampant, now, and all anyone does is flag an account or log you in the system as a victim. What they don't tell you is flagging your credit report makes it near inaccessible to you, but most companies can ignore the flag when doing checks. So, right now, I can't get two of my 3 reports because they are flagged for ID theft, unless I send them some absurd amount of documentation, yet a credit card offer company can still access it. In fact, reporting agencies still sell the info from it as well. ID theft has become one of those things where local police won't touch because it's confusing or requires too much effort and FBI doesn't have time for because now everyone is an evil terrorist.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not able to determine which parts are sarcasm and which aren't. Sorry, I'm just not very good at sarcasm.

I am curious what comes up in the computer when a license is run, though. Do the race, hair color, eye color come up when it is run? How about when someone is arrested? Or do the FBI computers now list me as a black male with someone else's fingerprints?

Someone mentioned earlier about a daughter getting a car loan after a decade of ID theft issues. I know the feeling of elation, as I can finally buy a gun without getting refused by the FBI.. first time since the ID theft! Not sure what form, phone call, complaint or pleading changed it, but I'm thrilled!

 

[Car Doc]

I cant make any connection with that video and what society in general feels about LE has in common not at all. I cant speak for anyone but myself and close acquaintances but we are glad there are cops.

Mainly if no other reason so we dont have to deal with idiots like that guy he is in a world of his own well not any more but thats where he needs to be-worm food.

Society would not exist w/o LE we need laws and someone to enforce them. Just like the yellow line down the middle of the highway can anyone imagine what chaos it would be with just black top no lanes and drive how you want? insanity

 

[Car Doc]

I don't like cops. I have never in my life had an experience with a LEO that they didn't treat me with disrespect or were condescending towards me.

It shows on your face and your tone of voice and body language so LEO will always assume you have something to hide you cant hide those cues. They will always be defensive if you continue to harbor that attitude.

Free country not telling you how to act or think you can feel as you want to but dont blame the police for how they treat you just saying we reap what we sow...

 

[TripleR]

I am curious what comes up in the computer when a license is run, though. Do the race, hair color, eye color come up when it is run? How about when someone is arrested? Or do the FBI computers now list me as a black male with someone else's fingerprints?

Someone mentioned earlier about a daughter getting a car loan after a decade of ID theft issues. I know the feeling of elation, as I can finally buy a gun without getting refused by the FBI.. first time since the ID theft! Not sure what form, phone call, complaint or pleading changed it, but I'm thrilled!

That was me and I can identify with your own relief.

I know you didn't ask me and I'm done discussing "good cops/bad cops, we won't change anyone's minds.

I do know a bit about difficulty in determining race as I have a bi-racial grand son and nephew. In looking at my nephew he looks Caucasian, but his drivers license say African American. My grand son could be Hispanic, Asian or any number of races. In his appearance, it is obvious he is not Swedish, but you just can't tell. Jennifer Beals is bi-racial, but sure does not look like it, so how is the Officer or anyone going to know.

When we ran records checks through NCIC, MULES, ALERT, REGIS, FBI etc., it was often next to impossible to determine one individual from another as a list of aliases might pop up, different SS numbers, dates of birth and on and on. When people are arrested, it can be a bear getting a birth certificate and in some cases impossible. For our records, we had to put down the race they told us; some legal issues prevented any further proof.

I sure wish stuff was as easy as on TV.

 

[Bob77064]

That was me and I can identify with your own relief.

I know you didn't ask me and I'm done discussing "good cops/bad cops, we won't change anyone's minds.

I do know a bit about difficulty in determining race as I have a bi-racial grand son and nephew. In looking at my nephew he looks Caucasian, but his drivers license say African American. My grand son could be Hispanic, Asian or any number of races. In his appearance, it is obvious he is not Swedish, but you just can't tell. Jennifer Beals is bi-racial, but sure does not look like it, so how is the Officer or anyone going to know.

When we ran records checks through NCIC, MULES, ALERT, REGIS, FBI etc., it was often next to impossible to determine one individual from another as a list of aliases might pop up, different SS numbers, dates of birth and on and on. When people are arrested, it can be a bear getting a birth certificate and in some cases impossible. For our records, we had to put down the race they told us; some legal issues prevented any further proof.

I sure wish stuff was as easy as on TV.

The answer I like when asking what race someone is? Human race.

 

[RoyJackson]

Although I think Gator6x4 was making a political point rather then really asking a question about the comment
"Society did not really want Police, Sheriffs or Law Enforcement, they only tolerated it as a necessary evil", I do think many folks do look at LEO's as a necessary evil. The problem is, IMHO, those are the men and women that represent government to the average citizen. And, most folks (again, IMHO) just don't want to be bothered if they smoke a joint or purchase an evening lady's time.

However, adding that video just flat out exposed Gator6x4's anti-rights mindset.

 

[TripleR]

The answer I like when asking what race someone is? Human race.

My reference to race was related to the post on the one criticizing police for being unable to determine something as "simple" as race in the identity theft case. Race as a descriptor is becoming all but useless and with picture identification becoming the norm, I don't know why we continue to use it, but we do.

 

[Bob77064]

My reference to race was related to the post on the one criticizing police for being unable to determine something as "simple" as race in the identity theft case. Race as a descriptor is becoming all but useless and with picture identification becoming the norm, I don't know why we continue to use it, but we do.

Yes sir I agree with you, race is not a simple issue any longer.

 

[Gator6x4]

Although I think Gator6x4 was making a political point rather then really asking a question about the comment
"Society did not really want Police, Sheriffs or Law Enforcement, they only tolerated it as a necessary evil", I do think many folks do look at LEO's as a necessary evil. The problem is, IMHO, those are the men and women that represent government to the average citizen. And, most folks (again, IMHO) just don't want to be bothered if they smoke a joint or purchase an evening lady's time.

However, adding that video just flat out exposed Gator6x4's anti-rights mindset.

Was not making a political statement I have reached that age in life where I have discovered there are two topics one must not discuss, politics and religion, so no political statement. Am not an ANTI-RIGHTS person, if I was one I would have fled North when I open the mail box one afternoon in the sixties. I believe all people; yes all people have the same rights. Also believe your rights stop where my rights or someone else痴 rights start. In other words and simple language, no one has a right to force their beliefs, thoughts and actions on others to make them comply to their way of thinking or start garnering public opinion or support to force someone or others into compliance.

The video show an individual who thinks their rights supercede all others and the lengths they will go to insure someone else understands this. The police officer in the video has rights. The simple fact he is wearing a law enforcement uniform does not mean, HE HAS NO RIGHTS. I am also not saying all police officers are angels. Regardless if they are or are not, THEY HAVE RIGHTS. Discussing a rights issue on the side of the roadway with firearms is just not in my opinion the time and place to debate the American way of governing and policing itself. Since you consider me ANTI-RIGHTS for including the video, am I to assume you think we all should debate rights issues on the side of the road with a firearm?

As to Domush questions: 的 am curious what comes up in the computer when a license is run, though. Do the race, hair color, eye color come up when it is run? How about when someone is arrested? Or do the FBI computers now list me as a black male with someone else's fingerprints?

When someone steals another person's identity they obtain a driver's license with their picture and other data on it. Does this surprise you that such would occur? People all across the US have the same name as mine. A couple even have the same birthdate as mine, am I shocked and surprised by this, no. Do I think someone in law enforcement should be able to look at a driver痴 license or other identifying data presented by one of these individual and say it is not me? No I do not. The FBI probably has their fingerprints on file as well as mine. Anyone who has served in the military has their fingerprints on file. So surprise the FBI probably has your fingerprints on file and another individual who is black with the same name and birthdate also on file. What a shocker.