coolant change: your frequency

   / coolant change: your frequency #21  
With some modern diesels, you may be able to get away without SCA additives. Check, and double check if your motor requires it.

I know that my older diesels require it. I brought SCA's up in this thread because often people do not know that they are required for many diesel engines.

I struggled a bit to find a good link, but this one will give you a good idea what cavitation corrosion is:

DTS Articles - Cavitation Erosion

If you read the fine print on older style anti-freeze bottles, it will often say that it is suitable for Heavy Duty diesel applications as long as you add SCA to it.

I believe there can be some negative effects to overdosing the SCA, so be sure you understand the mix ratios if you add it yourself.

Can be harder to find, but a good solution for most people is conventional diesel rated anti-freeze, that is pre-charged with SCA. Best deal I found recently was at a local Esso (Canadian Exxon) station, Mobil HD antifreeze with SCA already, for about $16 for 4 litres.

I researched the new organic antifreeze offerings about a year ago, but didn't go that route as I would have to flush a pretty large cooling system with distilled water (I have really hard well water, and never use anything but distilled water in all cooling systems). If I'm remembering right (?), these new organics (OATs ?) address the cavitation corrosion using a different approach than SCA.

Tonight, I was checking Wikipedia for a link to post here. Rather broad listing there, interesting that it indicated that modern car gasoline cooling systems started to experience cavitation corrosion when their cooling systems were downsized. Gotta read more on that later....

My first preference at this time is to use conventional diesel rated anti-freeze (ie. not the new OATs) that ships pre-charged with SCA for my tractor application.

With SCA dosed at prescribed levels, AFAIK, you can not hurt a diesel engine with SCA. Bear in mind though, I'm not a licensed diesel mechanic, so treat the preceding statement as an opinion. Any reputable engine manufacturer should clearly specify if you need SCAs in your coolant.

Bigfoot62 has raised an interesting point about electrolysis, I'm gonna have to add that to my reading list.

In summary, the way I look at the SCA/diesel issue is: There is minimal or no downside to adding SCA, and for engines that need it, you can end up replacing the block if it is neglected.

As an old Ag mechanic put it to me "Yep on tractors there are 2 things that often don't get changed - Antifreeze, and Hydraulic fluid".

Many tractors are pretty heavily designed, but they all live longer lives when the fluids get changed on schedule.

Rgds, D.
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #23  
Great links Ron, thanks for posting.

Good overview, and does list use of SCAs in gas motors too - something that I was not aware of until tonight.

I bought my SCA test strips at a heavy truck garage, as they can be hard to find at the retail level.

Rgds, D.
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #24  
I just changed my BX2200 coolant when a sapling pulled off my lower radiator hose. I had never changed it before, but since it all leaked out it seemed like it was time!
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #25  
Don't forget to drain the block when you change the coolant. Most people just drain the radiator.
 
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i never knew coolant degraded actually except for just getting dirty/contaminated. so i'm one of the guys who changes coolant by necessity (on tractor and vehicles), when replacing a hose, water pump, or cleaning out the radiator. no schedule.

i plan on 300,000 miles out of my cars so i should probably look into changing it...at 200,000 on two of my fleet.
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #27  
I have owned BXs and never, never worried about breaking the trans cooling fan until owners here started talking about it. Now I'm usually aware of the issue with my BX25 even though it has the factory cover guards installed.
Thanks alot!!!!!!! Now I have to be concerned about antifreeze and SCAs or to little SCA or to much SCA or no SCA and all the other problems with antifreeze in all of my vehicles and I currently own 2 cars, a truck and 5 Kubotas!!!!!!!!!! Thanks alot you -------- heads!!!!!:laughing:
I'll be hearing cavitation in my engines from now on!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess I'll be going to Barlows and trading all of them for new ones and just trade every 2 years and stop worrying about it. Same with my cars and truck.
Thanks alot again for giving me another thing to be concerned about!! Jesus, come soon and take me out of this land of worry and concern and proper maintenance required to make stuff last forever or until I die which may not be for another 50 years since I'm 65!!!!
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #28  
Don't forget to drain the block when you change the coolant. Most people just drain the radiator.

How do you do that? I have pulled the bottom hose off but the block is still filled.
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #29  
thanks all for your input...so...does off the shelf Prestone at walworld (green, not long life red) contain SCA? . . .
Nope, not at all. If it don't say "contains SCA" it ain't got it.

With some modern diesels, you may be able to get away without SCA additives.

In summary, the way I look at the SCA/diesel issue is: There is minimal or no downside to adding SCA, and for engines that need it, you can end up replacing the block if it is neglected.
But why would you want to chance it?

Exactly. That's why I use the FleetCharge in all of my diesels. No worry.

Thanks alot!!!!!!! Now I have to be concerned about antifreeze and SCAs or to little SCA or to much SCA or no SCA and all the other problems with antifreeze in all of my vehicles and I currently own 2 cars, a truck and 5 Kubotas!!!!!!!!!! Thanks alot you -------- heads!!!!!:laughing:
I'll be hearing cavitation in my engines from now on!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John,
We are so glad to know that we have contributed to your paranoia!!!! :D Happy to be of service. :laughing:


OK, guys, I don't WORRY about it either. I just buy the FleetCharge and use it in all of the diesels. There now, taken care of.
My cousin owns a large construction business. Last count that I heard, they have more than 70 pieces of heavy equipment, plus about 20 heavy trucks, and a whole herd of pickups. They put FleetCharge coolant in all of the diesels.
Years ago, before there was such a thing as pre-charged coolant, I would just run regular green antifreeze and add SCA annually. I think I still have a SCA test kit in my tool box. It was a lot of trouble. Using Fleetcharge is easy.

BTW, you are probably not going to find FleetCharge at the local "box" store. NAPA carries it, but it's expensive. The local fuel & oil distributor sells it by the case, (6-one gallon jugs) by the drum, and by the 250 gallon tote tank.
The price is $66 per case. That's $11 per gallon, which is probably about what you're paying for the green stuff at wallyworld.

Like I've said, there's no good reason NOT to use it.

JMHO, and my opinion, plus 50 cents, might get you a half cup of coffee, in some places. ;)
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #30  
How do you do that? I have pulled the bottom hose off but the block is still filled.

There should be a drain plug in the block somewhere, most of the time in cars they have a allen or a hex head.
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #31  
My owners manual says "There are two types of anti-freeze available, use the permament type (PT) for this engine."
Also says, "Use clean , fresh water and anti-freeze to fill the radiator and recovery tank."

That is the "ONLY" specs in the owners manual. No SCA, no distilled water.:confused2:

But, my tractor is 6 years old.....(BX24)
 
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I have owned BXs and never, never worried about breaking the trans cooling fan until owners here started talking about it. Now I'm usually aware of the issue with my BX25 even though it has the factory cover guards installed.
Thanks alot!!!!!!! Now I have to be concerned about antifreeze and SCAs or to little SCA or to much SCA or no SCA and all the other problems with antifreeze in all of my vehicles and I currently own 2 cars, a truck and 5 Kubotas!!!!!!!!!! Thanks alot you -------- heads!!!!!:laughing:
I'll be hearing cavitation in my engines from now on!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess I'll be going to Barlows and trading all of them for new ones and just trade every 2 years and stop worrying about it. Same with my cars and truck.
Thanks alot again for giving me another thing to be concerned about!! Jesus, come soon and take me out of this land of worry and concern and proper maintenance required to make stuff last forever or until I die which may not be for another 50 years since I'm 65!!!!

my pleasure ! what better service can i provide than anxiety to my fellow senior? you don't think our service to society (& equipment) throughout our lives gets us off the hook do you? now let's see....what about?......
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #33  
I'm probably going to go with Deere Cool-gard (yes in a kubota). It's what I use to service a friends tractors, and my backhoe and dozer when I had them. It costs a lot more, but it's premixed and already has the cavitation additive and it good for 6 years or 6000 hours. In the end it's much cheaper due to the 6 years.

Coolants Competitive Comparisons JohnDeere.com
 
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i own a few kubotas and have been changing the coolant every 2 years like the books say. i have been using the universal prestone (yellow stuff) "fits any make, model, color antifreeze" with no sca's and water out of my garden hose. (book says nothing about sca's but i don't doubt that they might be needed. dealer told me any type of antifreeze that says safe for all metals.) i tried the 50/50 premix once and did NOT like it as i was messing around with getting the freeze point right after flushing the system. (since all water was used to flush out the "flush", there was still water in the block, the 50/50 premix was way too weak.) as far as the distilled water compared to the "hose" water, i feel i am ok using the hose water. need to use water during the flushing process and i am not buying that much distilled water, so... i feel i will be ok if i follow the 2 year and flush procedure as it is not that much water and it is only that much water. not like it keeps flowing in and brings all those minerals in constantly. it is just a few gallons once for 2 years. my b7800 has over 1000hrs, 6 years old, rtv has almost 600hrs, 5 years old, and b3200 is brand new with 88 hrs. all engines run great and have recieved all book stated routine maintenence. just my 2 cents and experiences.
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #35  
Do not use tap water. It contains minerals that that will corrode your cooling system and or cause scale build up. If your water has chlorine or chloride in it that is very corrosive. You can get distilled water from a air conditioner or dehumidifier or for $1 a gallon at the grocery store.
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #36  
:laughing:Green coolant = John Deere
:shocked:Orange coolant = Kubota
:stirthepot:pink coolant = Massey

How easy can this stuff get!!??:confused2:
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #37  
my pleasure ! what better service can i provide than anxiety to my fellow senior? you don't think our service to society (& equipment) throughout our lives gets us off the hook do you? now let's see....what about?......

I mowed yesterday with my Kubota F3080 and I started hearing the cavitation start after the first hour and after 3 hours of mowing it had gotten so loud and I was so relieved that I was done and didn't have to stop in the middle of the job as my engine was destroying itself!!!!
This is my third mowing season with this Kubota (about 65 hours on it) but I'll never start it again till I get a blend of all colors and all brands of antifreeze sold in all of the Auto Parts stores plus Tractor Supply, Trucking Companys, Walgreens and Wal Marts!!!!!!! Now who else may have some other type I've missed?????? Hey, I just thought of something.....maybe I'll check again with Gary at Barlows who I believe told me a couple of weeks ago that they just used
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #38  
At the risk of being branded a heretic, or even worse a slacker, I'm with the guys that just inspect, check freeze protection, and add coolant as necessary. I've driven stuff for decades and this has always worked for me. I think a lot of the hype to change coolant is promulgated by coolant manufacturers.
 
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   / coolant change: your frequency #39  
At the risk of being branded a heretic, or even worse a slacker, I'm with the guys that just inspect, check freeze protection, and add coolant as necessary. I've driven stuff for decades and this has alaways worked for me. I think a lot of the hype to change coolant is promulgated by coolant manufacturers.
You think so?:D:D
 
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JOHNTHOMAS said:
I mowed yesterday with my Kubota F3080 and I started hearing the cavitation start after the first hour and after 3 hours of mowing it had gotten so loud and I was so relieved that I was done and didn't have to stop in the middle of the job as my engine was destroying itself!!!!
This is my third mowing season with this Kubota (about 65 hours on it) but I'll never start it again till I get a blend of all colors and all brands of antifreeze sold in all of the Auto Parts stores plus Tractor Supply, Trucking Companys, Walgreens and Wal Marts!!!!!!! Now who else may have some other type I've missed?????? Hey, I just thought of something.....maybe I'll check again with Gary at Barlows who I believe told me a couple of weeks ago that they just used

LMAO!!!!!
 

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