I would rather have a independent pto on a hydro tractor. You don't use the clutch anyways, just select a range and go. A removable loader is nice but some people never take their off. If you would have to do some major work the loader will come off in 5 mins vs a all day job on a no removable. If the loader is non removeable you will not be able to run a frame mounted snow plow or a snow blower. The JD or Kubota or not available with a mid pto. One drawback to the John Deere is the quick attach on the loader, it is their own, not a universal skid steer qa. While you are at the Kubota dealer you may want to look at a L3240, the are really nice. Like James said it is comparable to a DK35.
2012 NH Boomer 30 HST or Kioti CK30 HST? Value?
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k0ua
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I liked that weld plate story, That was creative. Weight is weight. My understanding is the JD has an aluminum casting in the rear end. Ask him about that. The bucket is JD proprietary quick detach. Not saying that is bad, at all. just be aware that it is proprietary, not universal. You will be locked into the JD universe of attachments. if you don't plan on taking off the loader then it is not a drawback. I have never taken the loader off of my new Kioti.. I do mostly loader work. When I mowed a large acreage with my tractor (a Shibaura built New Holland). I took the loader off every time I mowed. BUT all of that said, if the JD looks like it will do all you want to do, and you like and trust this dealer.. then buy the JD.. some time ago when I looked at a JD 3038e (same as a 3032e only more HP) I did not like it. for a host of reasons, and I did not buy it. I bought a standard Kubota instead. Now I have a Kioti.. a much heavier, yet and more deluxe tractor with more capability and features. The loader loader is not detachable because it saves money, the weight is lower because it saves money, the hydro is 2 speed instead of 3 because it saves money, There are not telescoping links because it saves money. the quick attach is the proprietary JD instead of SSQA because it saves money. the whole idea is to get an attractive tractor out there at a price point that can attract buyers. They sell a lot of them and people like them. They also have more upscale tractors for more money that have every feature you could ever want on them, including SSQA if you want it instead of the JD QA. It is all about the money
James K0UA
You have that backwards, it makes money because you more likely to go through JD to get qa stuff.
k0ua
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yeah it makes money for JD dealers
with SSQA you get whatever you want wherever you want to get it.I've all but given up on the JD. Just more tractor for the same money in the NH and Kioti. I also don't want to be forced to buy JD implements. I appreciate the advice I've gotten from you guys. I'm back to Kioti vs NH. Live PTO vs Independent, 2yr/3yr warranty vs 2yr/2yr. 3 cylinders or 4. In the end, I'll just have to test drive the Boomer and Kioti and see how they both feel.
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Now your talking!! Saddle up I say....
You dropped the Kubota too?:hissyfit:
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I just spent alot of time looking for a tractor in the same class. I looked at the kubota l3200 the JD 3032e and the Massey Ferguson 1532l. One look at the JD was all I needed to know I did not want it. To many exposed lines for the loader that could be ripped out by a limb or something under tractor, poor design in my opinion. Not to mention the cost.
The l3200 is a nice tractor, I liked it. Had a qoute of 15,100 for one with r4 tires and loader, 4wd. I ended up buying the Massey 1532L syncro shuttle 4wd r4 tires, quick attach loader and bucket . It has a little more lift rating on the bucket, more comfortable work area, integrated joystick for loader. The specs all around were a little better than the L3200. Paid 15,500 for it . I had a qoute from a dealer a bit further from me for 15,200 but went with the closer dealer since they would be doing service on it.
The l3200 is a nice tractor, I liked it. Had a qoute of 15,100 for one with r4 tires and loader, 4wd. I ended up buying the Massey 1532L syncro shuttle 4wd r4 tires, quick attach loader and bucket . It has a little more lift rating on the bucket, more comfortable work area, integrated joystick for loader. The specs all around were a little better than the L3200. Paid 15,500 for it . I had a qoute from a dealer a bit further from me for 15,200 but went with the closer dealer since they would be doing service on it.
madmax12
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If u haven't looked at Mahindra, it would at least be worth a look... browsing the Mahindra Forum will give u some pics and ideas of what users are doing with them. I have the Max28... I think it compares closely to those u are considering.
Mahindra Max 28XL 4WD HST - Mahindra Tractors - Heavy Duty, Value Packed Tractors. Built Tough to Last with a 5 year Warranty
Mahindra Max 28XL 4WD HST - Mahindra Tractors - Heavy Duty, Value Packed Tractors. Built Tough to Last with a 5 year Warranty
Mahindra Max 28XL 4WD HST - Mahindra Tractors - Heavy Duty, Value Packed Tractors. Built Tough to Last with a 5 year Warranty
Mahindra Max 28XL 4WD HST - Mahindra Tractors - Heavy Duty, Value Packed Tractors. Built Tough to Last with a 5 year Warranty
Wow, nice price! An online search showed most people were at or over the 20K mark with FEL last year. As a result I hadn't considered the Kubota. It's a nice machine, of course. I shot a quote request to the local dealership and asked for a competitive price compared to the CK and Boomer. Hope to hear back from him and report back here.
I haven't seen a MF dealership in my area but will look a bit closer. As a tractor and FEL novice, HST is on my must-have list. The specs on the MF 1532 look very similar to the CK and Boomer. Independent PTO, 3 speed HST, etc. Nice combo. The price you paid, awesome. I had originally wanted to cap my budget at 15-16k. Here in NY, what I'm hearing is 17.5K - 20K. The MSRP at the MF site for a 1532 FEL is $21,253 + $320 prep. A search at tractorhouse.com turned up a brand new 2011 1532 with standard trans and FEL for $15,350 in Texas. That's a big drop from MSRP. I'll be sending a quote request to a dealership 45 miles from my camp and see what they kick back.
@Max: The Mahindra closest to the others I'm kicking around is the 3016HST and spec-wise is very similar. Nice machine. Telescoping 3 point, Independent PTO, 3 range HST, 28HP and 2500lbs. 5yr warranty and #1 selling tractor in the world. But the closest dealership is a bit far from me. I plan on asking for a quote anyway and maybe I'll be surprised. MSRP tractor only is $16,090.
k0ua
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remember tractor prices vary quite a bit by region..Southern regions, usually cheaper, Northern regions usually higher, and Canada usually highest of all. Have you given Barlows in Ky a call? They are a large Kubota dealership. They will deliver over long distances. Lots of members here praise them. Ask for Brady Barlow. I realize that is a long way from you, but in owning 2 Kubota's, over a period of 10 years, I never needed any warranty work. Of course you can still get warranty work from a local dealer if you need it.. He may put you back in the line but it is still profit for the service department to work on your machine.
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madmax12
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BoonDoc said:
If u get a chance, check the tractor comparison tab in the link I provided. The max 28, in some ways, outperforms the boomer 30...even though the boomer 30 is a larger machine. In fact, all the tractors the max28 is compared to in that tab, are larger tractors than the max28. So, if the max28 outperforms the tractors u r considering...how much more does the 3016 surpass them?
The 3016 outperforms the max28, hands down...and has more bells and whistles.
If lifting with FEL and/or 3pt is a high priority, u may want to look more closely at mahindra. I already bought mine, so my encouragement to u is for your own satisfaction. Look carefully, is all I'm suggesting... as I can see, u already are.
Wow, things are getting interesting. Found a Kubota dealer just 32 miles away. He shot me a quote on the L3200 HST FEL with "Pin on bucket" for $16,900 total. That's a couple HP more than the NH Boomer and Kioti CK30 I saw first, at $600 less and closer to me. Is the "pin on bucket" the SSQA? The L3200 has a live PTO and lacks telescoping arms. How important is this?
@James: thanks for the link. I requested a quote from Barlow's. Shipping 750 miles @ $1.50 could be a deal breaker. As said, I got a decent price at the local Kubota dealership with it's obvious benefits. I'm waiting on the other brands' dealers to reply.
Best,
Doc
@James: thanks for the link. I requested a quote from Barlow's. Shipping 750 miles @ $1.50 could be a deal breaker. As said, I got a decent price at the local Kubota dealership with it's obvious benefits. I'm waiting on the other brands' dealers to reply.
Best,
Doc
DK35vince
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The pin on bucket is not a Quick attach bucket. The SSQA would likely be an additional $800 to $1000 option.
Personally I think the telescoping lower link arms and telescoping sway bars on the 3 point hitch are a must have item. They help make hooking up attachments SO much easier/faster
madmax12
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BoonDoc said:
Hmmm, that's not how I understand it. I think It means it still turns the same regardless of ground speed, and won't push your tractor. My max HST, still has a clutch (not all HST s do), so I can get the Pto to slow down with the clutch, and then disengage.
k0ua
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No, that is not how it works, It does not keep turning unless you engage it with a Lever after pushing in the clutch, . you let out on the clutch and it starts turning.. since you will have a hydro, it will keep turning at the 540 speed (or whatever speed you set with the throttle) even as you change direction and speed up or down with the hydro pedal. The live portion of it is that as you start to push the clutch in it disengages first before the power to the transmission is disengaged as you push in the clutch further. There is NOTHING wrong with this type of operation, as you how control of how fast the PTO engages as you feather the clutch. As you don't really ever use the clutch for anything else on a hydro tractor, you can think of it as your PTO feather control. There is still a Lever for PTO off and PTO on. but you never move that lever without pushing in the clutch first to disengage or engage the PTO. On my DK35se. it is independant, electric control over hydraulic actuation. I flick an electric switch on the dash which controls a solenoid that controls a hydraulic clutch pack to engage or disengage the PTO. So if the JD dealer told you the PTO always turns, on the Kubota or Kioti CK he is full of chit.
. I converted my old L3400hst Kubota from pin on to SSQA and it cost me a Grand. It is cheaper up front to order it SSQA than to convert. Don't forget the telescoping 3pt links on the Kioti and not on the Kubota.. They can be added. but it really costs. There are ways around it. somewhat. you can get a Pats or a a carters QH for the rear.. The pats is more popular, you can buy them here on this forum. I have a set of the carters I would part with reasonably. ($50) I don't need them any more since I traded off the Kubota. You will still have to deal with the turnbuckles on the Kubota.. they suck.. but they work. Keep learning.. your doing fine..James K0UA
So if the JD dealer told you the PTO always turns, on the Kubota or Kioti CK he is full of chit.
Hahaha! What he actually said in the email was, "They [Kioti] still use a Live PTO which no one has used since the 1970’s. In other words your rear PTO is always running, using up fuel and engine horsepower while you’re using your loader". "The reason the JD weigh less is they are able to use this superior technology to bend and shape much thicker gauge steel to make frame components. Our competition has to cut many pieces and weld components together in order to get the shapes and strength needed. Obviously one thick piece of steel is stronger and lighter than that several pieces welded together and a longer, heavier tractor with a smaller engine really isn’t a good thing."James, I appreciate your explanation about the PTO. Using a "feathering clutch" for the PTO is no problem for me. If the likes of Kubota and Kioti are still using them, so can I.
The Kuboti at $600 less than the CK30 but doesn't have the telescoping links, SSQA, dealer loaded tires, or the free delivery offered by the other NH/Kioti dealer. Anything that makes my job easier I like and it sounds like adding those things runs the price up quickly.
As for the local MF dealer... got a set of quotes back a good deal higher than I expected. He even quoted the NH Boomer 30 at much higher than the first dealer.
$21,885 for the 1532 HST FEL
$19,000 NH
As he's the only local MF dealer, I'm effectively ruling that option out. Only waiting on Mahindra dealer, then it's crunch time. I must admit, I'm having fun and haven't even turned a key yet! :dance1:
Ah.. looked at the Kubota offer fine print. The price is an all cash price. Both NH and Kioti were offering great rates at the $17,600 price point. Could be even a touch lower if I did cash too. I asked Kubota to throw me a quote on adding telescoping links and SSQA to compare apples and apples. That's gonna drive up the cost quite a bit. It's all becoming clearer now...
k0ua
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yeah that is a good one.. to prove it to yourself, fire up the kubota or the Kioti, and get off and look at the PTO shaft coming out of the tractor.. It will not be turning. "eating up power.. blah blah blah" Jeez the things people say to make a sale. And those extra welds making up the extra weight.. what a crock. I am less familiar with the little CK series Kioti but I owned an L3400hst for a couple of years, and the L3200 and L3800 are nearly identical. I sure know how they work. and the clutch is just used as a safety switch you have to push in to start the tractor, and when you want to use the PTO you need to clutch for engagement or disengagement.. Some people push in the clutch to change ranges on the hydrostat but it is not necessary. just make sure you are stopped when you change ranges with the lever. Occasionally you will need to bump the hydro pedal just a tad either forward or backward to line up the gears in the range selector so they mesh. It just depends, but most times you don't. My DK does not even have a clutch, since the pto is electric/hydraulic. and for a safety switch, it requires you to push the range selector into neutral to crank the tractor over. I am liking that JD dealer less and less, he is trying to feed you crap.
James K0UA
James K0UA
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