greasemonkeyok
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Thank you DodgeMan and Sixdogs for two great posts at #152 and #153.:thumbsup:
Neighbor removed my property line pin
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buckeyefarmer
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I was also going to suggest plant a new row, then cut the others in a couple yrs when the new ones get a little bigger.
I built my house too close to the line, but that's water under the bridge. Fortunately I get along with my neighbor, and we both stray across the line every now and then.
I built my house too close to the line, but that's water under the bridge. Fortunately I get along with my neighbor, and we both stray across the line every now and then.
Hey gents...I can only stay for a short bit. I have to be in Boston at 8AM tomorrow---work related. It's a 2 hr or so drive and need to keep it short or I'll be up longer than I intend.
Dodge man no offense taken, rest assured. In fact any criticism for my actions would be appreciated as it would let me see what others think of my position on this matter. I get the feeling some of you are on the same page as me and understand what I'm getting at. The missing pin was my main agenda for posting. But I should also say that I've been tempted for several years to post this entire saga and see what others would say about the way I handled it. tkappeler thread about his new build, specifically the property pin, fence and tree situation is what prompted me to finally do it.
It also appears to me that some of you are confused about a few things and that maybe due to the way I explained it, sorry my bad. I'd have to go back and read to find them, but the most recent from sixdogs...the planting of the trees 8" off the line was a joint agreement we both made back in 96. And not the issue behind the feud. Not saying the end result doesn't include it, but....I'll explain more tomorrow night when I get back.
The current conversation is heading in a direction I'd like to see it go and I will continue with more explanation, but it'll have to wait...
TC
Dodge man no offense taken, rest assured. In fact any criticism for my actions would be appreciated as it would let me see what others think of my position on this matter. I get the feeling some of you are on the same page as me and understand what I'm getting at. The missing pin was my main agenda for posting. But I should also say that I've been tempted for several years to post this entire saga and see what others would say about the way I handled it. tkappeler thread about his new build, specifically the property pin, fence and tree situation is what prompted me to finally do it.
It also appears to me that some of you are confused about a few things and that maybe due to the way I explained it, sorry my bad. I'd have to go back and read to find them, but the most recent from sixdogs...the planting of the trees 8" off the line was a joint agreement we both made back in 96. And not the issue behind the feud. Not saying the end result doesn't include it, but....I'll explain more tomorrow night when I get back.
The current conversation is heading in a direction I'd like to see it go and I will continue with more explanation, but it'll have to wait...
TC
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Just yesterday I was talking to a neighbor about this thread and she had an odd experience with surveys.
She had 3 parcels of land that needed to be enjoined to meet bylaw requirements.
Upon receiving the (paid for) plans she decided to check out the calculations.Now area is simple enough to calculate, is it not?
i.e. L X W = area, or so she believed. Well the surveyor made mistakes, she was shorted by some 100 sq ft on the surface calculations and demanded that he correct the plans.
About a month later she received the amended plans along with an invoice for an additional $500.00!
She did what I would not have, paid the revised invoice.
Now to make thing worse, the government is re surveying all boundaries with satellite GPS for accuracy and correct all the old oddball old stuff that this rural area has inherited.
The surveyors want US to provide them with our documents, HAH, they are paid to do this, let them go to the registry and get their own copies!
Don't mean to hijack but thought U might to hear another slant to survey woes.
She had 3 parcels of land that needed to be enjoined to meet bylaw requirements.
Upon receiving the (paid for) plans she decided to check out the calculations.Now area is simple enough to calculate, is it not?
i.e. L X W = area, or so she believed. Well the surveyor made mistakes, she was shorted by some 100 sq ft on the surface calculations and demanded that he correct the plans.
About a month later she received the amended plans along with an invoice for an additional $500.00!
She did what I would not have, paid the revised invoice.
Now to make thing worse, the government is re surveying all boundaries with satellite GPS for accuracy and correct all the old oddball old stuff that this rural area has inherited.
The surveyors want US to provide them with our documents, HAH, they are paid to do this, let them go to the registry and get their own copies!
Don't mean to hijack but thought U might to hear another slant to survey woes.
That's actually a more reasonable suggestion than trying to move them. Only 8" from the line he's either going to kill them anyways by cutting too far into the root ball; or cause damage to his neighbor's property which at this point won't fare well.I was also going to suggest plant a new row, then cut the others in a couple yrs when the new ones get a little bigger.
I built my house too close to the line, but that's water under the bridge. Fortunately I get along with my neighbor, and we both stray across the line every now and then.
Most likely both of the above will happen.
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I would vote for planting new trees behind the existing row. At this time of year, I would think you could buy the new trees for a good price, and likely not much more than the cost of renting a tree spade, assuming you can even find one to rent. Then just plant by digging the holes with a 3pt post auger, and water until established.
Regarding the size of tree to plant, I'll pass along what I was told some time ago. The story goes that if you planted 1" caliper trees, 2" and 4" trees at the same time, that in 10 years they would all be the same height! The reason given was that transplant shock was the least in the smaller trees. Also, most people would dig the proper size hole for smaller trees-typically we don't dig a large enough hole for larger treesk, and most people don't water larger trees long enough to root sufficiently.
Has the OP checked yet with the original surveyor to get a price on resetting the pin?
Regarding the size of tree to plant, I'll pass along what I was told some time ago. The story goes that if you planted 1" caliper trees, 2" and 4" trees at the same time, that in 10 years they would all be the same height! The reason given was that transplant shock was the least in the smaller trees. Also, most people would dig the proper size hole for smaller trees-typically we don't dig a large enough hole for larger treesk, and most people don't water larger trees long enough to root sufficiently.
Has the OP checked yet with the original surveyor to get a price on resetting the pin?
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Unfortunately it can end in a deadly serious way. You never know when someone will snap and what they are capable of doing. Many years back some landowners were fighting about drainage in an ag field. One owner plugged another's culvert not wanting the water to run on his land. The argument ended in one owner shooting two people with a high powered rifle dead. He went to prison for life but that doesn't help the family who lost their two members. Easy to fight, easy to escalate fight, harder to swallow pride and get along. Most people never find the positive attributes in others and lifetime friendships are never realized.
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Since you both agreed at some point, the agreement has obviously changed and not everyone is happy. Without knowing all the details, a good bet is to talk with the neighbor and find out the problem. It is not his place to dictate your property, so you cannot oblige those issues. It takes an agreement and might start out with the displeasure you sense over the encroaching border of trees and you want to know what to do about it. He's likely tell you everything but my guess is that border of trees is going back fully onto your side. The only way i am aware of to find out the problem is to talk about things. You aren't a pushover and your property is your property every bit as much as his property is his so demands on either regarding the other's is whistling Dixie. Read the book I mentioned. This will almost certainly have a relatively happy ending.
On moving the trees, they will move fine and all will live if you water as described. But adding another row and cutting down the first at some agreed point is a good barter thing and really easy in New England soil.
On issues taking bad turns, read the book for intuitive signals that are tip-offs to potential behavior and motivation of another individual. Your solution is probably not all that difficult since you two did get along at one point. My guess is it's something easy. If not, you'll know it pretty soon and if you read the book you might have a better understanding of dispute resolution. Or intuitively know how to solve problems. Flying blind is how people get into trouble. And should you ever reach a point or stalemate question in any negotion, just say "I'll have to get back to you on that" for a breather and maintaining control.
All this is just my two cents and when it's over I figure you're buying the beer for all our unsolicited and free advice.
On moving the trees, they will move fine and all will live if you water as described. But adding another row and cutting down the first at some agreed point is a good barter thing and really easy in New England soil.
On issues taking bad turns, read the book for intuitive signals that are tip-offs to potential behavior and motivation of another individual. Your solution is probably not all that difficult since you two did get along at one point. My guess is it's something easy. If not, you'll know it pretty soon and if you read the book you might have a better understanding of dispute resolution. Or intuitively know how to solve problems. Flying blind is how people get into trouble. And should you ever reach a point or stalemate question in any negotion, just say "I'll have to get back to you on that" for a breather and maintaining control.
All this is just my two cents and when it's over I figure you're buying the beer for all our unsolicited and free advice.
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TC I'm not sure you need to move or replant trees. I had to reread your posts to make sure I understand it, sounds like you got PO'ed because he removed a temporary fence he said he was going to remove and some kid turned around on your new yard, which is beautiful by the way, after he removed it. That prompted you to put up stakes and then plant trees. OK, no problem there, it is your place. The trees are on your side of the surveyed line by a small margin and that is OK. What is the worst that can happen, the neighbor trims the trees to his line? Sounds like it will make his side look bad and yours great. Not sure I would have reacted the same way but I sure would not go through the expense to move the trees a few feet. I just don't see what you have to loose at this point. You and your neighbor are not going to be friends so why do anything?
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I'm all about resolving problems without going to court. Often people go to court over a boundary but that's not really the problem, but you can't take your neighbor to court for being a dick.
I'm not sure I'd move the bushes along the drive. If you want to do something to help the neighbor, get rid of the ones in front of his house. Put up some kind of low impact fence if you want to maintain the boundary. It may have moved past this point though.
I'm not sure I'd move the bushes along the drive. If you want to do something to help the neighbor, get rid of the ones in front of his house. Put up some kind of low impact fence if you want to maintain the boundary. It may have moved past this point though.