Problems with Trespassers

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Now that is funny!

 

[Glocker]

Zimmerman got rail roaded in the name of political correctness by people who wanted to see racism where none existed to cover for a thug. I will not let anyone threaten me on my own property and just stand by until they finally hurt /kill me to show I had a good court case. Expert is a term that is debatable. I stand by my position. Mas Ayoob is a good guy and has much knowledge but no one should have to tolerate abuse. The survivor gets to tell the story to the authorities.

Glocker ... you may already be familiar with this site ...

see this posting >> What should you expect after a self defense shooting? - Glock Talk

The answer is from an expert. You might also consider George Zimmerman's situation .

A gun involved fatal confrontation is two problems. Surviving the immediate physical and the later legal. Do your own internet search and see the costs others have faced.

 

[plowindeeper]

Friend of mine was going thru a divorce. His wife and new man set up camp with his kids. New man was bulling him when he picked up/dropped off his kids. He starts toting a gun, a S&W 45 auto. Him and the guy get into it. He pulls his gun fires 1 shot miss the man but hits his 3 year old daughter in the head. Man pulls out a 40 cal hits him once in the chest, once in the head, & once in the shoulder. My friend lives after a year of recovery he's fine. He is a convicted felon. One child died and lost his vistation rights to the other.

Yea start shooting it will fix everything.
I"ve been there. Get all the stuff to build a fence. Beg borrow whatever you have to do. Build it right. Get enough people together to finish it in one day. Have the Sheriff patrol your road that day. I had 20 people helping me all toting guns except me. Sheriff finally got tired of sitting in my driveway, after we had a few little problems, he helped drive a few staples. I spoke to my lawyer and this was his advice and do it when you know they will be there. Build fence at least 6 inches on your side. Post it that day. If they bother you anymore have them severed and get it over with.

Or call a realator before you get in to deep and attached.

 

[riptides]

The problem with that, is that if you do that, you are intentional doing something to cause harm in an area that you know these creeps ride. Even though it is posted no trespassing, they would still win the lawsuit that the OP intentionally caused bodily harm after they wrecked they motorcycle in the furrow. That's a lose-lose situation, and it sucks!

Well if your taking that position, heck, they could impale themselves on a tee post. It's not a dirt bike they are riding.

 

[fordmantpw]

Well if your taking that position, heck, they could impale themselves on a tee post. It's not a dirt bike they are riding.

Yes they could, but if the t-post was there already it's not an issue. You run into issue if you put up things to cause harm in the direct path of where you know someone rides a bike. If it is well-marked, it's not an issue, but a furrow could be hidden, and built to take the perps by surprise, and therein lies the problem.

 

[fordmantpw]

Well if your taking that position, heck, they could impale themselves on a tee post. It's not a dirt bike they are riding.

Yes they could, but if the t-post was there already it's not an issue. You run into issue if you put up things to cause harm in the direct path of where you know someone rides a bike. If it is well-marked, it's not an issue, but a furrow could be hidden, and built to take the perps by surprise, and therein lies the problem.

 

[Timm250]

I bought tract #4. The notch in the corner of tract 4 is my house it sits pretty much directly behind the barn. The point marked L6 is where they are coming onto the property. The three lines you can see show the county road.

 

[deezler]

That's a lot of fence line to put in.... doh.

Crazy comments in here thus far. Please do not pull a gun and start shooting. Use the police/sheriff to help you set precedent.

Chopper in a field? It would have been awesome to watch them wipe out on that thing.

 

[Blast Chamber]

Crazy comments in here thus far. Please do not pull a gun and start shooting. Use the police/sheriff to help you set precedent.

I'm not sure whose comments you are calling "crazy", but to me crazy would be getting surrounded on my own property by a gang of 6-8 people pushing and threatening me while the cops are over half an hour away, and not having the means to defend myself.

So yes, you can bet that my gun would be "pulled" in that scenario, and whether or not I would feel the need to "start shooting" would be determined by the actions of said gang. I'll let a jury decide what is crazy and what is self-defense once the threat has been neutralized and me and my family are safe.

 

[brin]

Well said Blast I could not have said it better.:thumbsup:

 

[deezler]

Hey, no need to get defensive. I agree, what those trespassers have done is ridiculously outlandish. And clearly assault.

But people saying to arm your whole family, and shoot to kill, should perhaps dial it back a notch. No need to advise the OP into spending the rest of his life in jail just because some hooligans think they still own his property. It's not worth it (IMO).

 

[greasemonkeyok]

I'm not sure whose comments you are calling "crazy", but to me crazy would be getting surrounded on my own property by a gang of 6-8 people pushing and threatening me while the cops are over half an hour away, and not having the means to defend myself.

So yes, you can bet that my gun would be "pulled" in that scenario, and whether or not I would feel the need to "start shooting" would be determined by the actions of said gang. I'll let a jury decide what is crazy and what is self-defense once the threat has been neutralized and me and my family are safe.

Having no skin in the game, that's easy for you to say in an internet post.

Someoneone who suggests that strapping on his Gold Plated Custom Engraved Desert Eagle as the simple solution to a complex problem is most likely naive and inexperienced in these situations. Goading the OP in that direction does him no favors.

 

[Blast Chamber]

Having no skin in the game, that's easy for you to say in an internet post.

Someoneone who suggest that strapping on his Gold Plated Custom Engraved Desert Eagle as the simple solution to a complex problem is most likely naive and inexperienced in these situations. Goading the OP in that direction does him no favors.

If you had bothered to read my earlier post, you would have seen that my suggestions included.....

a) getting a restraining order (I agreed with an earlier poster on that point)
b) video cameras
c) having a friend or relative there as additional protection and to act as a witness
d) yes, being armed with both lethal and non-lethal means

The suggestion to use force was in response to the OP's first post where he described a very dangerous situation of being outnumbered and physically assaulted. He was very fortunate to have walked away from that experience unharmed, as it easily could have gone the other way.

And you know nothing about my background or experience, so don't make assumptions that I'm either naive or inexperienced, because I'm neither. If you had shared some of my past experiences in security and law-enforcement you would better understand why I gave him the advice to arm himself.

 

[greasemonkeyok]

...And you know nothing about my background or experience, so don't make assumptions that I'm either naive or inexperienced, because I'm neither. If you had shared some of my past experiences in security and law-enforcement you would better understand why I gave him the advice to arm himself.

"So yes, you can bet that my gun would be "pulled" in that scenario, and whether or not I would feel the need to "start shooting" would be determined by the actions of said gang" tells me everyting I need to know about your background and experience. That you "say" you would pull a firearm before the need to use it is clear.

You are also substituting your "internet" judgment for that of the LEO's who had the opportunity to observe the people involved and asses the risks.

 

[Blast Chamber]

"So yes, you can bet that my gun would be "pulled" in that scenario, and whether or not I would feel the need to "start shooting" would be determined by the actions of said gang" tells me everyting I need to know about your background and experience. You "say" you would pull a firearm before the need to use it is clear.

And your "comments" tell me everything I need to know about you as well.

I'm done here. Good day, sir!

 

[Midniteoyl]

Friend of mine was going thru a divorce. His wife and new man set up camp with his kids. New man was bulling him when he picked up/dropped off his kids. He starts toting a gun, a S&W 45 auto. Him and the guy get into it. He pulls his gun fires 1 shot miss the man but hits his 3 year old daughter in the head. Man pulls out a 40 cal hits him once in the chest, once in the head, & once in the shoulder. My friend lives after a year of recovery he's fine. He is a convicted felon. One child died and lost his vistation rights to the other.

Yea start shooting it will fix everything.
I"ve been there. Get all the stuff to build a fence. Beg borrow whatever you have to do. Build it right. Get enough people together to finish it in one day. Have the Sheriff patrol your road that day. I had 20 people helping me all toting guns except me. Sheriff finally got tired of sitting in my driveway, after we had a few little problems, he helped drive a few staples. I spoke to my lawyer and this was his advice and do it when you know they will be there. Build fence at least 6 inches on your side. Post it that day. If they bother you anymore have them severed and get it over with.

Or call a realator before you get in to deep and attached.

Sounds like your friend was a problem.. So much so that the 'new man' felt the need to arm himself.

And he was right...

 

[greasemonkeyok]

And your "comments" tell me everything I need to know about you as well.
I'm done here. Good day, sir!

Good.

 

[EE_Bota]

Op, you and your family are uninjured, and the law has no issue with you. That's actually quite an achievement given what you faced, and you have reason to be proud of your restraint and your bravery.

 

[brin]

Op, you and your family are uninjured, and the law has no issue with you. That's actually quite an achievement given what you faced, and you have reason to be proud of your restraint and your bravery.

EE Bota ....I need to confess....I am positive that if some thug on a 4 wheeler bumped my wife I would not be able to restrain myself...that is an assault with a deadly weapon...Let's not dance around it...! When I go to our farm I am armed and I can assure you or anyone else the worse nightmare you could ever have would be to threaten my family...and in this case his wife's life was in jeopardy...he could have even accidentally hit the throttle and she might have been dead..that was an imminent threat of deadly force against his wife....No cops around and on help for at least 20 minutes or so....Nahh....not me...they would have paid a price for that move...Call me all the names you want ..

 

[greasemonkeyok]

EE Bota ....I need to confess....I am positive that if some thug on a 4 wheeler bumped my wife I would not be able to restrain myself...that is an assault with a deadly weapon...Let's not dance around it...! When I go to our farm I am armed and I can assure you or anyone else the worse nightmare you could ever have would be to threaten my family...and in this case his wife's life was in jeopardy...he could have even accidentally hit the throttle and she might have been dead..that was an imminent threat of deadly force against his wife....No cops around and on help for at least 20 minutes or so....Nahh....not me...they would have paid a price for that move...Call me all the names you want ..

Your honesty is refreshing.

If I were in your shoes and have to shoot someone, I would worry about having said that though.