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[rider7767]

Great story about that military truck. I wonder if Kioti has one of those $1.38 fittings in this tractor.

It may well be, but nothing can be assumed good in this current situation. Troubleshooting is a learned art based on deductive reasoning. I would love to troubleshoot this tractor.

 

[TomSeller]

It may well be, but nothing can be assumed good in this current situation. Troubleshooting is a learned art based on deductive reasoning.

Correct, and any reputable tractor company would have dealers that have this capability on staff. A good company would make sure they have good dealers, particularly if the first dealer dropped the ball. This is why dealer quality and quantity are so important.

 

[Sysop]

Many manufacturers have techs they send to various dealers to tend to the more difficult diagnosis.

The military truck story is great (other than it is the inexperienced working with someone else's dime to the tune of massive waste, common for the Government). I like it cause it proves the old adage "start with the cheapest fixes first", especially when you're just performing trial and error rather than following true diagnostic procedures.

 

[rider7767]

The military truck story is great (other than it is the inexperienced working with someone else's dime to the tune of massive waste, common for the Government). I like it cause it proves the old adage "start with the cheapest fixes first", especially when you're just performing trial and error rather than following true diagnostic procedures.

Quite to the contrary, Soldiers are told they can come into the Army in order to learn a trade. Learning a trade on the go makes it hard, but the lessons learned stick with the young Soldiers. Keep in mind the average age of the Army is 24 and less than 1 percent of the nation serves in the Armed Forces. The story I told happened in Iraq, while dodging rockets and mortars. The truth is, I made them change the engine back to the old one, not because of the money, but because they assumed they knew what was wrong. Their actions took a good engine out of inventory, which was most likely need by another unit. These trucks save lives.
I agree, the government is riddled with waste, but this story was not the case. This was a case of learning and serving one’s nation.

 

[TomSeller]

Quite to the contrary, Soldiers are told they can come into the Army in order to learn a trade. Learning a trade on the go makes it hard, but the lessons learned stick with the young Soldiers. Keep in mind the average age of the Army is 24 and less than 1 percent of the nation serves in the Armed Forces. The story I told happened in Iraq, while dodging rockets and mortars. The truth is, I made them change the engine back to the old one, not because of the money, but because they assumed they knew what was wrong. Their actions took a good engine out of inventory, which was most likely need by another unit. These trucks save lives.
I agree, the government is riddled with waste, but this story was not the case. This was a case of learning and serving one’s nation.

Thank you for your dedication and service to our country. Like you said, the engine went back into inventory so there is no issue. Having any down truck while dodging rockets and mortars does not compute to me.

 

[rider7767]

Having any down truck while dodging rockets and mortars does not compute to me.

We worked in a make shift shop on a FOB (Forward Operations Base). While working; rockets, mortars, or both would come in. Everyone would get in the bunker and wait it out. After it was over, everybody went back to work. It sounds bad, but statistically it is safer than Detroit, Chicago, or DC. :confused3:

 

[Sysop]

Quite to the contrary, Soldiers are told they can come into the Army in order to learn a trade. Learning a trade on the go makes it hard, but the lessons learned stick with the young Soldiers. Keep in mind the average age of the Army is 24 and less than 1 percent of the nation serves in the Armed Forces. The story I told happened in Iraq, while dodging rockets and mortars. The truth is, I made them change the engine back to the old one, not because of the money, but because they assumed they knew what was wrong. Their actions took a good engine out of inventory, which was most likely need by another unit. These trucks save lives.
I agree, the government is riddled with waste, but this story was not the case. This was a case of learning and serving one’s nation.

I agree whole heartedly the military is the best way to learn many valuable life-skills as well as many trades; and what is learned will not be easily forgotten. I'm just saying that the inexperienced solution to any problem is to simply "throw money at it" (which is easier to do when it isn't coming out of your own pocket and happens in repair facilities world-wide and worse for the government), when experience teaches us "try the cheap fixes first" when doing a process of elimination. Your experience taught you the proper diagnostic process for the situation, which you in turn taught them; A lesson they'll never forget, nobody likes wasted man-hours, especially their own.

Thanks for your service to our country and your willingness to share your knowledge and experience with all of us.

 

[Sysop]

We worked in a make shift shop on a FOB (Forward Operations Base). While working; rockets, mortars, or both would come in. Everyone would get in the bunker and wait it out. After it was over, everybody went back to work. It sounds bad, but statistically it is safer than Detroit, Chicago, or DC. :confused3:

When our oldest was on his way to Iraq, some of those types of stats were what kept his mother and me sane.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Many manufacturers have techs they send to various dealers to tend to the more difficult diagnosis.

The military truck story is great (other than it is the inexperienced working with someone else's dime to the tune of massive waste, common for the Government). I like it cause it proves the old adage "start with the cheapest fixes first", especially when you're just performing trial and error rather than following true diagnostic procedures.

I dunno... I was trained to troubleshoot and find only the part that was bad. No 'swap till it works' allowed, unlike, it appears, tractor and car OEMs like to do.

 

[Midniteoyl]

I agree whole heartedly the military is the best way to learn many valuable life-skills as well as many trades; and what is learned will not be easily forgotten. I'm just saying that the inexperienced solution to any problem is to simply "throw money at it" (which is easier to do when it isn't coming out of your own pocket and happens in repair facilities world-wide and worse for the government), when experience teaches us "try the cheap fixes first" when doing a process of elimination. Your experience taught you the proper diagnostic process for the situation, which you in turn taught them; A lesson they'll never forget, nobody likes wasted man-hours, especially their own.

Thanks for your service to our country and your willingness to share your knowledge and experience with all of us.

Actually, in a combat zone, the priority is not 'how much does it cost', but 'how fast can it be placed back into service'.. With pressure to get it back up and running, and the normal war zone stresses, I dont actually blame the kids.

 

[TomSeller]

Actually, in a combat zone, the priority is not 'how much does it cost', but 'how fast can it be placed back into service'.. With pressure to get it back up and running, and the normal war zone stresses, I dont actually blame the kids.

Exactly. Keep those kids safe.

 

[Coyote machine]

And now back to the OP's tractor. I too would love the opportunity to set his tractor back on track. It's not even logical that there are as many problems with it as there seem to be, even based on it's history.
It is most likely a few simple things that may have been overlooked to date, but the whole tractor being a lemon, I doubt it.

 

[Coyote machine]

Correct, and any reputable tractor company would have dealers that have this capability on staff. A good company would make sure they have good dealers, particularly if the first dealer dropped the ball. This is why dealer quality and quantity are so important.

I take issue with this statement about: 'any reputable tractor company'.....
Seems you say you have many tractors, but mention no brands, and you state you're from: 'Somewhere, LL !?' What does that refer to? How about listing for us what brands/models you own and then let's continue the conversation about reputable companies and who ought to have what at their dealerships.

 

[ritcheyvs]

I dunno... I was trained to troubleshoot and find only the part that was bad. No 'swap till it works' allowed, unlike, it appears, tractor and car OEMs like to do.

I agree with this comment. It's not so much a matter of changing the cheap part as changing the right part. I agree with CM that nobody has yet found the real problem with this tractor, although it seems to have had mote than one problem. I wish LAK could provide a clearer description of the symptoms and conditions under which they occur plus the chronology of "fixes" to date.

 

[rmorey]

I agree with this comment. It's not so much a matter of changing the cheap part as changing the right part. I agree with CM that nobody has yet found the real problem with this tractor, although it seems to have had mote than one problem. I wish LAK could provide a clearer description of the symptoms and conditions under which they occur plus the chronology of "fixes" to date.

That would be helpful.

I understand his new dealer, in an effort to solve Nathan's problem, did some significant part swapping, so the "$40,000 engine" has been changed already. It's time to call the maintenance Warrant Officer!

 

[TomSeller]

I take issue with this statement about: 'any reputable tractor company'.....
Seems you say you have many tractors, but mention no brands, and you state you're from: 'Somewhere, LL !?' What does that refer to? How about listing for us what brands/models you own and then let's continue the conversation about reputable companies and who ought to have what at their dealerships.

What part of this statement do you take exception to?
"Correct, and any reputable tractor company would have dealers that have this capability on staff. A good company would make sure they have good dealers, particularly if the first dealer dropped the ball. This is why dealer quality and quantity are so important."

Are you saying that a tractor manufacturer does not have the obligation to support the tractors it sells by providing a network of quality dealers?
Are you saying that a tractor manufacturer, who owns the warranty responsibility, is justified washing their hands if the dealer can't solve a customer problem while under warranty?

My statements is about as "Chevrolet and apple pie as you can get" in my opinion.

 

[Coyote machine]

I'll tell you what I take issue with after you state what brands you own, and where you reside. And, BTW, don't even try to make it seem like you can make statements about what I'm supposedly 'saying'. You do not know me or my thoughts.

 

[94BULLITT]

I dunno... I was trained to troubleshoot and find only the part that was bad. No 'swap till it works' allowed, unlike, it appears, tractor and car OEMs like to do.

I know some tractor manufacturers have to approve the warranty work or the dealer won't get paid for it.

 

[PoorPlowboy]

It's none of your business where he resides. He has just as much right to state his opinion here as anyone else without intimidation or innuendos.

 

[TomSeller]

I will not be responding to aggressive posts. I maintain that manufacturers and their dealers should stand behind their product.