John deere loader specs.

sd455dan · Dec 11, 2013

TomSeller said:
I will say that, particularly on larger tractors, Deere has insight into the design that is not present in any other brand. Deere does things in my community that helps the farmer's future such as donating a building and equipment to the local college. I can guarantee there is no Kubota building there, no Mahindra, no LS, no Massey buildings there. Just the John Deere building, and that Green paint. I have other brands besides Deere, but I have to admit that when it is harvest time, it is Deere time. Go Deere.

Steiger designed and built some of the most respected large machines, also 8Ns do have replaceable liners.... so they Can be rebuilt indefinitely...

TomSeller · Dec 11, 2013

adventure bob said:
"Yeah the L4060 garden tractor is real nice but, real tractors start at 100HP."

He has a point there

mikehaugen · Dec 11, 2013

I will say this, I like John Deere and will probably stick with them because the dealers are plentiful in my area and they are proven. Kubota is a distant second as far as popularity in my area with all others nearly non-existent (for cuts anyway, ag tractors are a whole different story, but still with jd being the leader). I won't say that other brands don't have their merits though. As far as having more stories about people being ignored by the dealers it may be a matter of percentages. As said there are many more Deere dealers in my area than anything else, so if 1 in 5 dealers from any brand is an ***hole, there will naturally be more bad Deere dealers. Another thing to remember is that R&D costs money, and must be absorbed into the sales of tractors, I haven't paid too much attention, but would guess that JD puts more money into r&d than a lot of other brands. Can't speak of any brands in particular, but some just use processes/ designs that are already proven- of course they are going to be able to make them cheaper. Again, that last statement has a fair amount of assumption in it (since I am not "up" on all the new tractors), but over the years Deere has had a lot of innovations and those don't come for free. If Deere was simply making more profit on their equipment without spending more money on research and customer service, they should be the best company in the world to invest in as their stock prices would be constantly soaring in relation to others.

As far as donating the building and painting it green, we all know what that was about. It was a marketing strategy to get young budding agriculturists (is that a word?) thinking green. Planting the seed so to speak. I doubt it was out of the kindness of their hearts. The same reason Miller donates welders to schools and Autodesk makes their software cheaper to students, they want them to get used to their product to make them more likely to buy it later in life.

I am no die-hard JD guy that thinks anyone that drives anything else is a lesser person, or that other brands' tractors are a waste of money, but I do understand the higher costs to an extent.

TomSeller · Dec 11, 2013

mikehaugen said:
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As far as donating the building and painting it green, we all know what that was about. It was a marketing strategy to get young budding agriculturists (is that a word?) thinking green. Planting the seed so to speak. I doubt it was out of the kindness of their hearts. The same reason Miller donates welders to schools and Autodesk makes their software cheaper to students, they want them to get used to their product to make them more likely to buy it later in life.
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LOL. The building isn't green, just the John Deeres parked in and around it. Yes, I am sure it was to perpetuate the green brand, and all colors could have made the donations over the years. The point is that none did except Deere. I acknowledge that other brands make excellent tractors, but I also acknowledge that when it comes to big boy tractors, Deere's competitors fall off the trail fast.

Dizno · Dec 11, 2013

sd455dan said:
Steiger designed and built some of the most respected large machines, also 8Ns do have replaceable liners.... so they Can be rebuilt indefinitely...

Looks to me they have sleeves if you bore one out and then pound in a dry sleeve unlike a wet sleeve engine. You still need to machine the bore out.

Steiger did build respectable machines - no doubt about it. Key word being "used to". They sold out to CaseIH years ago. People with longer grey beards bought new lime green Steigers in their day.

murphy1244 · Dec 11, 2013

My Massey has a Perkins that has liners that can be pushed out and replaced and its a 1967 another long gray beard.

Wobblin-Goblin · Dec 11, 2013

I have respect for Deere. They make pretty good equipment and tractors. We have an 850 on our farm that is 33 years old and just keeps on ticking. When I was in the decision-making process of buying another tractor this year, I had quickly narrowed it down to JD and Massey Ferguson. At first, I was leaning toward either a 3000 Twenty series or a 4000 Twenty series Deere, but soon realized that the 3000s were not enough tractor. Then it became a question of either 4120 Twenty Deere or 1643 or 1648 Massey. While any of the three would have been excellent choices for our farm, price factored heavily into it. I ended up choosing the 1643 because it was $4,000 less than the 1648 and the 4120, and it wasn't less of a tractor than we needed.

Sure, I would have liked to get the JD with its 400cx loader (very nice), but in the end I got the tractor that fit our farm and my wallet best. After all the research I put into the decision, I'm convinced that the Massey Ferguson 1600 series tractors are among the best compact tractors available, equal to or better than JD, and those two brands put more into R&D than most other brands combined.

sd455dan · Dec 11, 2013

murphy1244 said:
My Massey has a Perkins that has liners that can be pushed out and replaced and its a 1967 another long gray beard.

totally agree, many Masseys can be rebuilt indefinitely and they are also long lived...

Seen some Masseys with over 12,000 hours still running strong even my 1967 3000 Ford (Ford/Perkins) whos hourmeter quit at 3960 ? in the mid/ late 1970's has to be close to 9000 hours by now .

Many other brands that are very long lived... regardless of the fact that they were not designed or built by JD...

GManBart · Dec 11, 2013

Dizno said:
Looks to me they have sleeves if you bore one out and then pound in a dry sleeve unlike a wet sleeve engine. You still need to machine the bore out.

Wrong....the sleeves can be purchased with matching pistons and rings that require zero machine shop work. Any average home mechanic can re-sleeve an 8N.

http://www.ntractorclub.com/howtos/pdfs/9N-Engine-Overhaul-Part1.pdf

GManBart · Dec 11, 2013

TomSeller said:
I will say that, particularly on larger tractors, Deere has insight into the design that is not present in any other brand. Deere does things in my community that helps the farmer's future such as donating a building and equipment to the local college. I can guarantee there is no Kubota building there, no Mahindra, no LS, no Massey buildings there. Just the John Deere building, and that Green paint. I have other brands besides Deere, but I have to admit that when it is harvest time, it is Deere time. Go Deere.