F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost

[deere5105]

A quick glance at Build Your Own on the Ford site would not show a gas engine option for the F450 and F550 and the F350 showed the 6.2 V8 as the only gas option. Looks like the V10 is gone for model year 2014.

 

[timswi]

The V10 I had was OK except for the spark plug issues and the rotting exhaust manifold bolts that even the Ford dealers call a time and material repair. No flat rate...How about that for standing behind an abysmal mistake.

 

[deere5105]

I know the diesels have been down a hard road as far as improving reliability and mileage per gallon of fuel, but if the 6.2 V8 is similar or close to the V10, is newer technology with improved mpg and no widespread problems....sounds like a good move. With all considered think I have decided and will hold out another year or so and look for a year or two old unit with 30,000 to 40,000 and see if I can save a little off new and move up to the F250.

 

[Grant1]

I recently bought a 2013 F250 6.2 4x4 which I use to haul a Kioti CK30 TLB. Pulls great and gets approx. 10 mpg. I have also pulled my 14' dump loaded with 10,000lbs of rock. Again no problem, I think you should always go heavier if possible and practical.

 

[deere5105]

I recently bought a 2013 F250 6.2 4x4 which I use to haul a Kioti CK30 TLB. Pulls great and gets approx. 10 mpg. I have also pulled my 14' dump loaded with 10,000lbs of rock. Again no problem, I think you should always go heavier if possible and practical.

Is the 10 mpg towing or empty? Running 3.73 gears or the 4.30? What was previous vehicle and is this a daily driver?

 

[redman135]

1) what will the gross weight of the trailer be?
2) what are the heaviest tow ratings of the f150 and f250 (tow packages needed)? then tak it from there. I noticed a couple of posts saying the f150 is overloaded at 11500lb. Doesn't this cancel your insurance in an accident?

 

[tcartwri]

Doesn't this cancel your insurance in an accident?

Nope. You would have to be grossly over weight ( thus deemed negligent ) to be held financially liable, and only then after your liability cap is reached.

 

[bradm64]

Nope. You would have to be grossly over weight ( thus deemed negligent ) to be held financially liable, and only then after your liability cap is reached.

My 2 cents worth,

1) I would check with my insurance company, maybe get in writing, before I bet my financial security on this statement.

2) I have been in reverse situation of the OP. I just went from a 2003 2500HD with Duramax/Allison to a 2014 GMC 1500. Both crew cab short beds, 4WD. I no longer needed the towing capacity of the 2500. I tow a pontoon boat, a covered trailer, and about once a year, my tractor on trailer. The tractor and trailer weigh about 8500 pounds, and GMC has capability of 9600 pounds, as optioned. I has the 2500HD for 9 years.

I can say after driving the 2500HD for years, and comparing to the new truck, (have not towed with the new one yet), that if I ever need to upgrade to tow over 10K, I'll go back to a 3/4 ton. I understand the book says the 1/2 ton Fords and GMC/Chev properly optioned are capable of 11K, but my opinion, and for my comfort, they don't have the "gravitas" to handle that kind of weight. Again, that is my opinion.

If I were in the OPs shoes, I'd go the 3/4 ton. In my situation, I could go to 1/2.

 

[deere5105]

Have managed to hold out another year with the 2004 F150 FX4 4WD with 5.4 V8 and 3.73 rear end. Truck now has 155,000 miles and is due for minimum front brake rotors and pads. Will need new tires in 10,000-15,000 miles. Probably need new rear brake pads. Have the typical "tick" from cam phasers and has for over 100,000 miles. Have a little noise from rear differential when turning. Not sure if is clutches just making noise or sign of worse issues. Made several 30 mile trips moving 5303 4WD tractor, with loader and implement on 22' bumper pull 12k trailer with brakes on all axles. Still wind up back and forth between the F150 and F250. With kids getting older and into more activities we are finding ourselves on the road traveling more and more. Most often in the F150.

The current dilemma is I have a friend that works at a local Ford dealership that bought the first F150 Ecoboost that came out in 2011. We discussed when he ordered it and he basically ordered just as I would have if ordering my own. Truck is a F150 Lariat 4WD Crew Cab with 3.5 Ecoboost with 3.73 rear end. Truck has around 50,000 miles mostly just hwy miles. Think he has pulled a 8000 lbs bumper pull camper 200-300 miles a few times. He is ordering an identical 2015 F150 and will be selling this one. I have enjoyed my current truck and it seems to manage to do all I need it to do. Torn over whether to trade my current truck on this one and stay with the F150 or is there too much risk in the first year Ecoboost long term. Have even considered purchasing an older 3/4 ton for towing, but just don't tow enough to justify adding a second vehicle for three or four trips a year less than 30 miles one way. Gut feeling is to hold out one more year and give the Ecoboost another look then. For what I do, the F150 Ecoboost seems to be a good fit. There would be about 5% of the time a 3/4 ton would be preferred.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Have managed to hold out another year with the 2004 F150 FX4 4WD with 5.4 V8 and 3.73 rear end. Truck now has 155,000 miles and is due for minimum front brake rotors and pads. Will need new tires in 10,000-15,000 miles. Probably need new rear brake pads. Have the typical "tick" from cam phasers and has for over 100,000 miles. Have a little noise from rear differential when turning. Not sure if is clutches just making noise or sign of worse issues. Made several 30 mile trips moving 5303 4WD tractor, with loader and implement on 22' bumper pull 12k trailer with brakes on all axles. Still wind up back and forth between the F150 and F250. With kids getting older and into more activities we are finding ourselves on the road traveling more and more. Most often in the F150.

The current dilemma is I have a friend that works at a local Ford dealership that bought the first F150 Ecoboost that came out in 2011. We discussed when he ordered it and he basically ordered just as I would have if ordering my own. Truck is a F150 Lariat 4WD Crew Cab with 3.5 Ecoboost with 3.73 rear end. Truck has around 50,000 miles mostly just hwy miles. Think he has pulled a 8000 lbs bumper pull camper 200-300 miles a few times. He is ordering an identical 2015 F150 and will be selling this one. I have enjoyed my current truck and it seems to manage to do all I need it to do. Torn over whether to trade my current truck on this one and stay with the F150 or is there too much risk in the first year Ecoboost long term. Have even considered purchasing an older 3/4 ton for towing, but just don't tow enough to justify adding a second vehicle for three or four trips a year less than 30 miles one way. Gut feeling is to hold out one more year and give the Ecoboost another look then. For what I do, the F150 Ecoboost seems to be a good fit. There would be about 5% of the time a 3/4 ton would be preferred.

If the price is right and you friend takes care of his stuff get it.

Chris

 

[deere5105]

If the price is right and you friend takes care of his stuff get it. Chris

He is meticulous with his stuff. Started out turning wrenches and had worked his way up to running the shop. For the number of these trucks sold, the problems seem small from what I can see. Also see it as an opportunity to possibly avoid any major repair bills and "upgrade" my current truck. Am getting by with my towing needs with what I have and everyone seems to think this would definitely be an upgrade.

 

[94BULLITT]

Any 09 or newer F-150 with a V8 or Ecoboost would be an upgrade.

 

[Wolfy]

The 3/4 tons and 1 tons get very expensive, very fast. Aside from more fuel, the tires, and especially brake parts.

 

[Soundguy]

The 3/4 tons and 1 tons get very expensive, very fast. Aside from more fuel, the tires, and especially brake parts.

i havn't found my 1 ton diesels to do any worse on fuel and 5.3-5.9 ltr gas engines.

sure.. they aren't like econo cars getting 28mpg.. but those cars don't pull 14k either.

i got rid of a dodge with 5.9 gasser to get a ford 7.3 diesel, and if anything PICKED UP a mile or mile and a half, because the diesel wasn't straining to pull the load like the gasser was.

As for tires. sure.. you have rolling wear, but you also have less weight per square inch.. that factors a bit. then you have to add in the less tangible benifits like increased stability and stopping power from bigger brakes and more rubber. while hard to measure that at the pocket book at the end of the week, for the 'safety feel', it was worth it, at least for some of us. I think if you tow more often, or tow larger, it factors more. a weekender might not see it..

so for sure it's a real subjective topic. not a 1 size fits all. each of us has to look at our application and see if it's worth it. for some it may blow the bottom out of the bucket.. for others it might be like sliced bread.

 

[Wolfy]

I meant a 3/4 or 1 ton gas engine mpg. Where I live, a 10,000 truck can not get personal plates. So, I have to get commercial plates on a personal vehicle. And commercial plates get renewed every year, not every other. On top of that, I have to get a commercial window sticker. Not $35 like car. $135...Id avoid all that with half ton. I think there is a big crowd like me who needs a truck that -can- tow, maybe not regularly.

 

[Soundguy]

here in florida they make us 1-ton owners renew in december like commercial trucks, but so far that's about the only hassle.

i think too many rv'rs and horse farms for them to crack down much harder.. ..... yet..

I meant a 3/4 or 1 ton gas engine mpg. Where I live, a 10,000 truck can not get personal plates. So, I have to get commercial plates on a personal vehicle. And commercial plates get renewed every year, not every other. On top of that, I have to get a commercial window sticker. Not $35 like car. $135...Id avoid all that with half ton. I think there is a big crowd like me who needs a truck that -can- tow, maybe not regularly.

 

[deere5105]

I have kept holding out, but feel now may be best time to make s change. The guy that has the 2011 has postponed moving to the 2015 until prices come down and I have found that they are running around $9500 off on 2014 XLT's with the 302A packages. Was looking for a Ecoboost, 4wd, Supercrew with Max Tow and 3.73 axle ratio. These are proving to be hard to find. I had convinced myself to move to the cloth seats from the current leather. Was wanting 40/20/40 seats versus buckets like have now. Rest of the family strongly encouraging to stay with leather. Found this truck on local lot with XLT, leather and few upgrades like HID lights and 20" wheels, all that I like. Been reading and talking more on the Ecoboost too about the moisture/condensation/misfire issue. Seems to be a fairly common issue. Overall seems a 50/50 split on Ecoboost versus 5.0 preferred. I will trailer my 5303, 4wd, with FEL with either 8' 3pt disc or MX6 cutter on a 22' bumper pull 3-4 times a year for approximately 30 miles round trip.

Looks like with a trade in I can get in a brand new truck for what I got in my current truck used with 45,000 miles almost 8 years ago with same features. Any reason to be concerned with the 3.55 axle or Ecoboost? Will be daily driver approximately 300 miles per week. All opinions and feedback appreciated!

 

[check]

I have kept holding out, but feel now may be best time to make s change. The guy that has the 2011 has postponed moving to the 2015 until prices come down and I have found that they are running around $9500 off on 2014 XLT's with the 302A packages. Was looking for a Ecoboost, 4wd, Supercrew with Max Tow and 3.73 axle ratio. These are proving to be hard to find. I had convinced myself to move to the cloth seats from the current leather. Was wanting 40/20/40 seats versus buckets like have now. Rest of the family strongly encouraging to stay with leather. Found this truck on local lot with XLT, leather and few upgrades like HID lights and 20" wheels, all that I like. Been reading and talking more on the Ecoboost too about the moisture/condensation/misfire issue. Seems to be a fairly common issue. Overall seems a 50/50 split on Ecoboost versus 5.0 preferred. I will trailer my 5303, 4wd, with FEL with either 8' 3pt disc or MX6 cutter on a 22' bumper pull 3-4 times a year for approximately 30 miles round trip.

Looks like with a trade in I can get in a brand new truck for what I got in my current truck used with 45,000 miles almost 8 years ago with same features. Any reason to be concerned with the 3.55 axle or Ecoboost? Will be daily driver approximately 300 miles per week. All opinions and feedback appreciated!



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Go for it! I wanted the eco-boost as well, but they were all gone by the time I made my deal in October, so I had to settle for the 5.0 V8. Now, however, if I had to do it again - I would get the 5.0! It has gobs of power, a lovely roar when you punch it, and amazing gas mileage on the highway (under 12 litres per 100 km.). And the 302A package is just great. Leather, the wheels, and the HID lites I can do without, but hey, it's your truck! Good luck to you, and I really like the Silver colour. (Mine is white - my wife insisted.)

 

[Diamondpilot]

Go for it. My Fathers and Uncles Ecoboost trucks both have 3.55 gears and mine has 3.73 gears. I really can't feel the difference. None of us 3 Ecoboost owners have had any issues.

Chris

 

[timswi]

Go for it. My Fathers and Uncles Ecoboost trucks both have 3.55 gears and mine has 3.73 gears. I really can't feel the difference. None of us 3 Ecoboost owners have had any issues.

Chris

Personally, I don't believe nuances in gears are as big a deal as they used to be...3:08 vs 373 sure but, 3:42 vs 3:73 not so much in my experience. 3:73 is certainly better but not as much as it used to be.