New Ford F150

   / New Ford F150 #81  
Really? Lets compare apples to apples.
2014 3/4 ton truck, 4x4, Regular Cab, 8' Bed, Diesel, 10,000 GVWR package.
Ford F250 (137" WB) payload = 2709#. Source: http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/14FLRVTTgde_Sep9.pdf (Page 10)
Dodge 2500 (140" WB) payload = 2004.7#. Source: http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2014/docs/ram/hdramcg.pdf (Page 5).

2014 3/4 ton truck, 4x4, Crew Cab, 8' Bed, Diesel, 10,000 GVWR package.
Ford F250 (172.4" WB) payload = 1591#. Source: http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/14FLRVTTgde_Sep9.pdf (Page 10)
Dodge 2500 (169.5" WB) payload = 1004.5#. Source: http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2014/docs/ram/hdramcg.pdf (Page 5).
Looks like the Ford with leaf springs beats the Dodge with coil springs by 500# or 700#.

Aaron Z
Try using the right chart, its on this page: Ram Trucks Towing Guide
The drop down is a PDF.
The 2500 4x4 reg cab long bed diesel is 2700 lbs not 2004 lbs.
The 2500 4x4 crew cab long bed diesel is 2100 lbs not 1000. Did you even try to get the right numbers or blindly follow a Ford ad like their loyal sheep...?
 
   / New Ford F150 #82  
Try using the right chart, its on this page: Ram Trucks Towing Guide
The drop down is a PDF.
The 2500 4x4 reg cab long bed diesel is 2700 lbs not 2004 lbs.
The 2500 4x4 crew cab long bed diesel is 2100 lbs not 1000. Did you even try to get the right numbers or blindly follow a Ford ad like their loyal sheep...?
Apparently, I was looking at the slide in camper guide vs the payload guide. The winner doesn't change no matter which numbers you use:
Payload guides I used:
Ford: http://www.ford.com/services/assets/Brochure?make=Ford&model=SuperDuty&year=2014 (Page 22)
Dodge: http://www.ramtrucks.com/assets/towing_guide/pdf/2014_RAM.2500.Towing.Specs.pdf (Pages 7 and 15)
2014 3/4 ton truck, 4x4, Regular Cab, Automatic, 8' Bed, Diesel, 10,000 GVWR package.
Ford F250 (137" WB) Payload = 3,780#
Dodge 2500 ST/Tradesman. Payload = 2720#

2014 3/4 ton truck, 4x4, Crew Cab, Automatic, 8' Bed, Diesel, 10,000 GVWR package.
Ford F250 (172.4" WB) Payload = 3140#
Dodge 2500 ST/Tradesman. Payload = 2200#
Looks like the Ford with leaf springs STILL beats the Dodge with coil springs (by over 900# in these cases).

Aaron Z
 
   / New Ford F150
  • Thread Starter
#83  
Like many of you i've owned a few different pickups. First was a Chevy S10, brown, every option,
color coded custom wheels, two tone stitched canvas, 4wd, what a nice small truck.
But it was like the Ranger, old school. The 2.8V6 made we wish for the later 4.3 but it got the job done.
I think it weighed about 4100 pounds, pretty light by today's standards. And the bed was waxed, yeah, that kind of truck. I was young...

I have always liked Suburbans so they were my next vehicles, but about four years ago bought a new Nissan Frontier.
Built beautifully, adequate power, excellent seats, neat cargo mgmt features and boy could that truck handle. It was fun to drive, not as a
beast of burden, or a people hauler, and taking the offramps didn't require any early braking. All assuming there was nothing in back.
Absolutely did not drive ponderously, like so many trucks I've driven.

And that gets me to my main point. My needs have changed over the years and now I need to tow, and haul a full load of firewood.
But most importantly, I want comfort. And as much quiet as I can get. I'm retired, and there are lots of guys like me out there.
If my towing needs were 1-3 tons, the new Colorado would be in my garage, a parking first since none of the suburbans or crew cabs would fit.
And it would haul all the firewood I want. I have time, make another trip...

But I need to tow a five ton gvw trailer, so that means full size. All big three trucks are very good trucks, and so are the Japanese ones.
Kind of surprised we haven't seen a South Korean product yet. Apparently Mahindra gave up, they have plenty of buyers for their products already without the regulations and shipping headache. So it's like it's been all my life, Chevy Ford or Dodge.

The diesel Ram 1500 spec wise seems to do everything right. Remember, I'm not hauling concrete block every day. It tows well, has a huge comfy cab, the world's
largest arm rest/storage container, a good engine in the hemi and we'll just have to see about the diesel. And supposedly, it has the best unloaded ride. And that folks is what I think Ram had their eye on, that group of us who usually run an empty truck, who want a good performing truck that won't shake us to death for most of the time we are driving it. My leaf spring Suburban, even with Bilsteins, is an awful lot of mass going down the road with not the best control of that mass. It does like to go straight, which is good for trips...And the controls are so simple, so easy to use, no infotainment...my garmin gps does just fine.

But whatever i look at now to replace it, and I will later this summer, is going to be much more comfortable, get a lot better than 11mpg I hope, and have modern features. but if they take my radio volume knob away, I won't be in the showroom long. It really annoys me that in their quest to make trucks super luxurious, they are also putting form over function and with touch sensitive dashes and all the delayed responses and eyes off the road problems that come with them, these are sure not the modern features this buyer wants. Ford has done dashes well, though their design has gotten pretty tired by now. I just hope they don't overdo it. Those shiny silver air vents really catch my eye, and not pleasantly.

well, I got up this early for a purpose, and it wasn't talking about trucks, unfortunately...:D
I hope the first guys who drive the new Fords will report in and tell us what they are like.
A 5.0 sure looks like a nice setup.
one thing I'll give my 6.0 GM, it sure sounds nice. Bellows and moans. Maybe a little too much.
But I've never heard a vehicle with the 5.0 that didn't sound nice.
 
   / New Ford F150 #84  
Looks like the Ford with leaf springs STILL beats the Dodge with coil springs (by over 900# in these cases).
Aaron Z
How are you still not getting the point?
The point was not "coil springs are better than leaf springs for payload". Although trains carry the heaviest payload and they use coils not leaf springs.

The point made was "coil springs neutered the Ram's payload" which is wrong! The payload increased with the new coil spring rear suspension and gave it a better ride. Comparing Ford to Ram makes no sense in this point...
You apparently don't understand payload and GVWR enough to realize there's more involved in calculating payload than just rear suspension. Your still comparing overrated Apples to well-rounded Oranges
.
 
   / New Ford F150 #85  
Got the skinny on why Ford is using more aluminum and shedding weight. It's the same reason GM (which most here know I work for) is bringing back a smaller truck. Mark Ruess (our N American president) admits GM is taking a risk w the 3 size truck strategy across 2 brands (Chevy/GMC). GM believes smaller pickups will offer customers a greater number of options and help us meet new federal emission standards. Ford's strategy is to use a vast number of aluminum parts on their F-Series to shed weight to meet the same fuel economy targets. In short, both GM and Ford are taking risks to keep in compliance with the Government emission laws. All this was discussed at the plant yesterday. I hope both strategies work for each company. GM and Ford both depend heavily on their truck segment to compete with the 13 plus foreign auto brands being sold on U.S. soil. I think the 15 F-150 in the pics looks good. Ford trucks are kinda known for there large grills. Like the way it looks or not, you KNOW it's a Ford truck at a glance. No different w Chevy truck grills having a solid bar with a gold Bow-Tie. You KNOW it's a Silverado. There is HUGE brand loyalty to both GM and Ford. Always have been. Always will be. It's seen everyday on this forum.

It comes down to average fleet mpg. Ever worked on a PT Cruiser or whatever GM'S version of it? The parts are not found under passenger cars, they are listed under trucks.

When Dodge put the Hemi in the trucks back in the early 2000's they needed to offset it's 10 mpg. To do so they took the Neon, put a bigger body on it, and the PT cruiser was born. They then flooded the rental car market with them to get the numbers right to meet the EPA's Fleet Average.

Same thing is happening right now. Ford loosing weight and new tech engines. GM, AFM and multi trucks.

Chris
 
   / New Ford F150 #87  
Took long enough! :laughing:
You automatically get banned from this Pro-Ford site if you don't let DP and JeJe push Ford products while bashing everything else as well as personally attacking everyone who doesn't agree with them. Amazingly, they don't get banned...

You Phord Phans can have your tractor site. This was fun. :laughing:

I was wondering why you left. Sad you got banned. I enjoyed the good discussions with you. I just figured you left because Ram wasn't performing up to your perceived standards and gave up. LOL

You might want to reread some of the old threads and check to see if you are innocent or guilty.
 
   / New Ford F150 #88  
I was wondering why you left. Sad you got banned. I enjoyed the good discussions with you. I just figured you left because Ram wasn't performing up to your perceived standards and gave up. LOL

You might want to reread some of the old threads and check to see if you are innocent or guilty.
-Hah- and I was just thinking the other day- "hmmnn what ever happened to that DMace character-no more grenades rolled under the bunk". Kind of missed the attacks and was worried you were sick or hadn't paid your electric bill! But as I've said before, take a Ford, GM or Fiat/Ram/Mopar, they all have their good points and bad points.

I'm a Ford guy but to each his own. Wish Ford had brought the world Ranger here, but the 150 is a sacred cow. they are not going to do anything to mess with that. What I really thought would make sense would be to go back to one pick up-like the old days before 150 and Super Duty. And I though the time that would happen would be when the next generation Super Duty came out. That would have made room for the Ranger on the low end of 150, the new Super duty to fillhigh weight end of 150-250 and 350, and the "new" medium duty supposedly going to the AvonLake plant as the new class 6,7, also serving as the cab structure for existing 450-550.

would have made sense in my book.:confused3:
 

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