Landpride grapple for SCUT?

[Xfaxman]

---------------------- That's a lot of words where a picture or two would have helped. In any event it's going to be 23 here tonight and cold for the next few days so I'm going to be at a standstill. Gives me time to com template the above idea and learn how to post pictures.

Here is how I post pictures:

I am using a laptop, with the pictures stored in "My Documents"/"My Pictures". I created a folder "4 TBN", that I copy pictures into, that I want to post.

Double click "Reply With Quote" or "Reply to Thread", This puts you in the advanced mode and opens a form to type in.
At the top there are three rows of icons, Insert Image is in the middle row, sixth icon from the right, It looks like a picture of a tree in a frame. Click the Insert Image icon, click From Computer (if not highlighted), click Select Files, find the folder with your pictures, click the ones you want, click open, click upload files, push the space bar after each one loads, to make it easier to click on when viewing the post.

Click Preview Post at the lower right to see if you need to make any changes, then click Submit Reply.

There are other procedures for pictures stored on the Internet, but I don't do that.

Ask for more details if you need to

 

[lowellw2]

Thanks for the instructions Xfaxman. Here's a picture of the valve reversed, but with out the bracket reversed yet.

 

[lowellw2]

Xfaxman

I happened to run across a picture of your little toy with its little grapple. Gotta say I'd love a Toolcat 5610 and with that grapple you could move most anything. Thanks for the help on posting pictures. It was obviously too simple for me to figure out.

 

[Xfaxman]

Thanks for the instructions Xfaxman. Here's a picture of the valve reversed, but with out the bracket reversed yet.

Your're welcome, I had the same problem when I started here.

Xfaxman

I happened to run across a picture of your little toy with its little grapple. Gotta say I'd love a Toolcat 5610 and with that grapple you could move most anything. Thanks for the help on posting pictures. It was obviously too simple for me to figure out.

You mean this?

 

[CHDinCT]

Thanks for the instructions Xfaxman. Here's a picture of the valve reversed, but with out the bracket reversed yet.

Lowellw2, sounds like you're having fun like I did. I see how you have the valve. Guess that'll work if you have enough room between the loader mounts and the engine side panel. What I did was take the black mounting bracket off and reverse just that so the valve itself moved closer to the edge of the floor board. Like you said, there's not a lot of room to get the hoses past the FEL pipes that occupy the same basic space. Looking again at your photo, did you drill a separate hole for the mounting bracket? I was able to use the existing hole and just replace the carriage bolt with the longer bolt that came with the mounting bracket.

On the hoses, yes, short hose to the block is what I did and what I think is correct per the instructions. Would be easier if LP would just ID the hoses as short and long in their instructions rather than just diagram numbers. The long hose is a little perplexing since it seems too long whether you hook it to the block or the other side of the pipe that gets removed. As you saw in my pic's, I had to zip tie the long hose to the underside of the fender so it didn't rub on the tire. It ocurred to me that perhaps the valve will work with the hoses hooked up either way since it may just pass pressure through the valve while not in use. I'm not expert enough to know if these valves are one way? Like I said, I won't know for sure if everything's right until I can hook up the grapple and actually try using it.

One added inconvenience I had Monday clearing snow that you won't have. Since I'm still missing the male QC's that go on the valve work ports, I just capped them off with plastic covers so I could use my tractor for snow removal. I assumed that as long as the valve wasn't activated (recall I removed the fuse for now), no oil would come out of the work ports. WRONG! I guess as the oil warmed up and thinned out, it was thin enough to seep out of the work ports. No real pressure but I lost about a quart of SUDT2 working the tractor about 2 hours Monday. Since we're getting more snow right now, I went to a hydraulic shop yesterday afternoon and picked up two plugs for the work ports. I removed the existing fittings and plugged the ports for now. Cost me $1.28 for two plugs, so no big deal. The upside is that I found a great hydraulics shop not far from me. I had passed it a thousand times and assumed they just did hydraulic repairs (they always have big pieces of equipment in the yard for repair), but turns out they also have a parts counter. Good to know, and if I get real desperate, I'm sure they'd have the male QC's I need to complete the grapple installation.

Keep us posted on your progress Lowellw2.

 

[lowellw2]

CHDInCT
Sorry I gave the wrong impression with my "first" picture post. I grabbed the first picture of the reversed valve I had and picked the one without the black . I also was able to fish the wire from the valve along the metal loader lines into the cowling area. I think that may alleviate the need to notch the dust cover but that remains to be seen. I ran the wire from the loader joystick through the dust cover and into the cowling, but am rethinking that setup as it might get caught up in the loader valve shafts. I may try to do some of the wiring today if it warms up enough. Using the spade connectors seems like the way to go. As you note the wiring instructions are incomplete. I'll wire it up as you did as that seems like the only way the buttons could work. I'm going to stop by a hydraulic shop and pick up some of the covers for the QA connectors like we have on the FEL and backhoe connectors. LP shorted us there. I'm at a loss as to why you might get some seepage from the male QAs on your valve. Perhaps one of the hydraulics experts here can provide an explanation. My only supposition is that some very tiny particle is holding the ball bearing like seal open a little. However, even a tiny hole in a hose will allow a dangerous jet of fluid to escape under pressure. If it doesn't stop it sure defeats the whole QA advantage. On another aspect of hydraulics I mentioned I used the backhoe arms to lift my tractor to remove the rear wheel. I assume that means there may be pressure in the power beyond circuit so I need to relieve that pressure before I attack the hose connections. Here's the correct picture of my proposed valve installation. I think I may turn it a little though as that will provide a little more clearance from the vertical FEL bracket.

 

[lowellw2]

Xfaxman
Yes that's the beast I saw. Looks like it can eat a little BX. I sure like the idea of a cab with AC not to mention gobs of HP and low step in height. The second seat for a grand kid is enticing too. I'll trade you anytime.

 

[GolfAddict]

CHDInCT
... I'm at a loss as to why you might get some seepage from the male QAs on your valve...

I read it that he doesn't yet have the QAs, so had placed caps on. The caps allowed some oil to escape ...

 

[Xfaxman]

Xfaxman
Yes that's the beast I saw. Looks like it can eat a little BX. I sure like the idea of a cab with AC not to mention gobs of HP and low step in height. The second seat for a grand kid is enticing too. I'll trade you anytime.

No thanks, I'm keeping it!

This is what it does best.

 

[CHDinCT]

CHDInCT
Sorry I gave the wrong impression with my "first" picture post. I grabbed the first picture of the reversed valve I had and picked the one without the black . I also was able to fish the wire from the valve along the metal loader lines into the cowling area. I think that may alleviate the need to notch the dust cover but that remains to be seen. I ran the wire from the loader joystick through the dust cover and into the cowling, but am rethinking that setup as it might get caught up in the loader valve shafts. I may try to do some of the wiring today if it warms up enough. Using the spade connectors seems like the way to go. As you note the wiring instructions are incomplete. I'll wire it up as you did as that seems like the only way the buttons could work. I'm going to stop by a hydraulic shop and pick up some of the covers for the QA connectors like we have on the FEL and backhoe connectors. LP shorted us there. I'm at a loss as to why you might get some seepage from the male QAs on your valve. Perhaps one of the hydraulics experts here can provide an explanation. My only supposition is that some very tiny particle is holding the ball bearing like seal open a little. However, even a tiny hole in a hose will allow a dangerous jet of fluid to escape under pressure. If it doesn't stop it sure defeats the whole QA advantage. On another aspect of hydraulics I mentioned I used the backhoe arms to lift my tractor to remove the rear wheel. I assume that means there may be pressure in the power beyond circuit so I need to relieve that pressure before I attack the hose connections. Here's the correct picture of my proposed valve installation. I think I may turn it a little though as that will provide a little more clearance from the vertical FEL bracket.

Lowellw2, just in for a break from pushing snow. Had another wet, heavy 6" of concrete overnight. Glad I got that leak plugged or I'd be stopping every half hour to add SUDT2, LOL. I don't know if I should have had any seepage or not. Most valves will by-pass a little oil. Won't be an issue with the male QC's installed since the spring loaded seals in the QC's should stop any flow. Keep in mind, my ports were wide open with only a plastic cap covering them. Not ideal.

Anyway, that second pic of the valve location looks good. Looks like it would be easier to route the hoses the way you have them, again, as long as you have room between the loader stanchion and engine cover. But, if I interpret what you did correctly, your hoses will be reversed from what's in the instructions. Not a problem as long as we're both correct that the short hose goes to the hydro block. That was my conclusion after staring at the diagram and carefully tracing which hose was which. Hope you reached the same conclusion. Good luck with the wiring. You may be operational well before me the way things are going here between missing parts and snowstorms.