EPA issue ban on wood stoves

[Sodo]

AGAIN you are wrong: ?..EPA has Banned most stoves as they are built today.

…...but the fact remains the EPA is strong arming existing wood stove manufactures and will force many of the small stove makers to go out of business as they could not afford the tens of thousands of dollars it costs to "test and prove their stoves make the cut."

This is silly. EPA Banned manufacture and sale of non-conforming stoves in 1990, a generation ago.

Stove manufacturers have adjusted since 1990, and I bet you ANYTHING, are all more profitable now to the point where none of them bat an eye over $20K. They came out OK. New-Stove-Buying citizens paid the bill (probably against their preferences) but the USA got cleaner air in return.

Same as they banned sale of cars, unless the car meets certain emission standards. You can't say cars are banned.

Woodstoves are not banned, they are available everywhere. Cars too. You are aware of this, right?

Pretty much EVERYONE is telling you the same thing it is time to admit you were wrong in defending them in this.

Not wrong. A few folks (who can't possibly be that gullible) seem to have an ulterior motive. Probably as you infer, digging in their heels to give the message "as long as the 2nd amendment is on the table, I'm gonna oppose the EPA".

Which I suppose you can do, it's (still) a free country. But it's deceitful. Or could be called BS.

From the same dictionary,
bull·**** (bo͝ol′shĭt′) Vulgar Slang
n.
1. Foolish, deceitful, or boastful language.
2. Something worthless, deceptive, or insincere.
3. Insolent talk or behavior.

 

[RoyJackson]

This is silly. EPA Banned manufacture and sale of non-conforming stoves in 1990, a generation ago.

Stove manufacturers have adjusted since 1990, and I bet you ANYTHING, are all more profitable now to the point where none of them bat an eye over $20K. They came out OK. New-Stove-Buying citizens paid the bill (probably against their preferences) but the USA got cleaner air in return.

Same as they banned sale of cars, unless the car meets certain emission standards. You can't say cars are banned.

Woodstoves are not banned, they are available everywhere. Cars too. You are aware of this, right?

You really have no clue what you're writing about....

Stove manufacturers are not large companies...not even close. The one I worked at is hanging on by the skin of it's teeth (I hope they do make it). The others (Harman, Jotul, Soapstone) aren't doing too much better.

And when the private sale of an item (such as my 20+ year old wood stove) is prohibited....well, that's a ban to me.

It really appears you're overly defending the EPA, which I suspect is due to ulterior motives...as I'd written in an earlier post...my guess is you are an EPA or other government regulator.
As far as costs...I daresay you're $20K estimate is far too low.

 

[Sodo]

You really have no clue what you're writing about....

Stove manufacturers are not large companies...not even close. The one I worked at is hanging on by the skin of it's teeth (I hope they do make it). The others (Harman, Jotul, Soapstone) aren't doing too much better.

And when the private sale of an item (such as my 20+ year old wood stove) is prohibited....well, that's a ban to me.

It really appears you're overly defending the EPA, which I suspect is due to ulterior motives...as I'd written in an earlier post...my guess is you are an EPA or other government regulator.
As far as costs...I daresay you're $20K estimate is far too low.

I have a 1982 Vermont Castings "Intrepid", and a 2004 Vermont Castings "Intrepid II" (bought new for $1100). Vermont Castings is a good company, successful. Got the 1982 on craigslist for free, a stroke of luck as its worth at least $500. I like Vermont Castings. The plate-stove companies make a killing. Your assessment of the woodstove industry today might be as outdated as your memory (the 1990s?). I'm sorry for you but I will be in your boat too before long.

My ulterior motives are simple; clean air, and truth. You seem to have some ulterior motives for spreading un-truth, and you stop just short of admitting it - what is your reason?

 

[GolfAddict]

Sodo, I've been trying to follow this but I'm not sure I'm getting it quite straight. Are you saying:

"The EPA has recently banned the production and sale of 80 percent of America's current wood-burning stoves..."

from the Forbes article is a lie, or untrue?

 

[KSinWI]

The plate-stove companies make a killing.

Define making a killing? Why is that everyone always believes everyone else is making so much money? Vermont Castings is not a large company.

 

[PapaPerk]

Define making a killing? Why is that everyone always believes everyone else is making so much money? Vermont Castings is not a large company.

Because there's ALOT of people and companies making ALOT of money right now. And have been for awhile. The wealth in this country is huge and very polarized. Meaning huge class differences.

 

[Sodo]

Sodo, I've been trying to follow this but I'm not sure I'm getting it quite straight. Are you saying:
"The EPA has recently banned the production and sale of 80 percent of America's current wood-burning stoves..."
from the Forbes article is a lie, or untrue?

It's referring to a law passed 24 years ago as if it was just rammed down our throats yesterday. It was written to deceive.

 

[GolfAddict]

An american citizen doesn't need to lift a finger based on this assertion. But they could get upset. It was written to deceive.

Well, they are going to have to lift their finger into their wallet a few more times when they go to buy a stove.

I think what upsets some of us is the higher cost for ALL folks to help solve a problem that sounds pretty localized.

 

[rsallen]

Nothing is 'local' if some one, anyone, is using the atmosphere all of us depend on like a garbage dump.

 

[GolfAddict]

Nothing is 'local' if some one, anyone, is using the atmosphere all of us depend on like a garbage dump.

Ah yes, must remember:

Individual inherently bad, government inherently good.

Got it.