EPA issue ban on wood stoves

[GolfAddict]

Sodo, you're making me feel like my reading comprehension is lacking. Could you point me to what in the article is a lie? I keep missing it.

 

[Sodo]

Sodo, you're making me feel like my reading comprehension is lacking.

Golf, don't have to pretend, I bet you know what's true and what's false.

 

[RoyJackson]

I have a 1982 Vermont Castings "Intrepid", and a 2004 Vermont Castings "Intrepid II" (bought new for $1100). Vermont Castings is a good company, successful. Got the 1982 on craigslist for free, a stroke of luck as its worth at least $500. I like Vermont Castings. The plate-stove companies make a killing. Your assessment of the woodstove industry today might be as outdated as your memory (the 1990s?). I'm sorry for you but I will be in your boat too before long.

My ulterior motives are simple; clean air, and truth. You seem to have some ulterior motives for spreading un-truth, and you stop just short of admitting it - what is your reason?

I worked at Vermont Castings less then a year ago. They laid off 30% of their workforce and I was one of them. Still touch and go...and as far as successful? Well, when a company lays off 30% of the work force and shuts one (of four) plants, that tells you something.
So, I know what I'm talking about since I worked in the industry...you....nothing more then biased (and erroneous) opinion.

 

[The Fred]

I ran out of wood this morning:hissyfit: so all 3 of my stoves are "clean".

Fred

 

[Sodo]

I worked at Vermont Castings less then a year ago. They laid off 30% of their workforce and I was one of them. Still touch and go...and as far as successful? Well, when a company lays off 30% of the work force and shuts one (of four) plants, that tells you something.
So, I know what I'm talking about since I worked in the industry...you....nothing more then biased (and erroneous) opinion.

From a Times-Argus article about the Kansas company that purchased Vermont Castings published 15 months ago.
Two years ago the company relocated its barbecue-grill manufacturing from China back to the United States and to Vermont, Clifford said.


Sorry this article is over 3 years old. But the premise of this thread is doing a little "pretend" that the 1990 clean air act was recently enacted in 2014 and 80% of the woodstoves are going to be taken away.

 

[KSinWI]

From a Times-Argus article about the Kansas company that purchased Vermont Castings published 15 months ago.
Two years ago the company relocated its barbecue-grill manufacturing from China back to the United States and to Vermont, Clifford said.


Sorry this article is over 3 years old. But the premise of this thread is doing a little "pretend" that the 1990 clean air act was recently enacted in 2014 and 80% of the woodstoves are going to be taken away.

So I'll ask again a question of you (for the third time).... you made the statement that these companies are making a killing..... Define a killing? You are so concerned about truth so looking at Vermont Castings the example company you used doesn't look to have been making a "killing" lately so what gives?

 

[Sodo]

I like Vermont Castings. The plate-stove companies make a killing..

First of all Vermont castings are not plate stoves, they are cast iron, which is probably expensive in relation. The plate stove companies are making a killing. Those can't be hard to lasercut out and slap together in a production environment for a hundred bucks in bulk. Hobbyists can make a plate steel stove in their shop, lots are doing it.

http://monessenhearth.com purchased Vermont Castings which went bankrupt several times, then finally sold in 2008. Monnessen of KY bought them from the Canadian owner as a boutique brand, and now re-named Monnessen Hearth as Vermont Castings | Stoves, Fireplaces and Grills | Home because Vermont Casings was such a well known brand.

But you're probably pursuing this off-topic direction to confuse my subject, that I keep steering back to against your efforts, that WOODSTOVES are NOT BANNED. They are available and in use everywhere, everybody knows that and no stoves have been taken away and none will be.

The only people that believe they are banned are about 5 guys on this thread and a few others who are egging them on for other reasons that they won't divulge. And some are more forthright on the subject, come out and say they are just digging in because they think it somehow helps the 2nd Am issue.

I really gotta go outside and leave this for you guys who want to keep pretending about the ban, you seem want this farce pretty bad.

 

[KSinWI]

First of all Vermont castings are not plate stoves, they are cast iron, which is probably expensive in relation. The plate stove companies are making a killing. Those can't be hard to lasercut out and slap together in a production environment for a hundred bucks in bulk. Hobbyists can make a plate steel stove in their shop, lots are doing it.

http://monessenhearth.com purchased Vermont Castings which went bankrupt several times, then finally sold in 2008. Monnessen of KY bought them from the Canadian owner as a boutique brand, and now re-named Monnessen Hearth as Vermont Castings | Stoves, Fireplaces and Grills | Home because Vermont Casings was such a well known brand.

But you're probably pursuing this off-topic direction to confuse my subject, that I keep steering back to against your efforts, that WOODSTOVES are NOT BANNED. They are available and in use everywhere, everybody knows that and no stoves have been taken away and none will be.

The only people that believe they are banned are about 5 guys on this thread and a few others who are egging them on for other reasons that they won't divulge. And some are more forthright on the subject, come out and say they are just digging in because they think it somehow helps the 2nd Am issue.

I really gotta go outside and leave this for you guys who want to keep pretending about the ban, you seem want this farce pretty bad.

You make me laugh. You call out people for spreading BS and then fight it with portrayal of fact but is actually opinion. I was simply pointing that out. Seems like this whole crusade you've taken on is nothing but pot calling the kettle black. I wonder why you can use examples but when anyone else does, they are trying to confuse your subject?

Enjoy the outdoors.

 

[therealmjfox]

I worked at Vermont Castings less then a year ago. They laid off 30% of their workforce and I was one of them. Still touch and go...and as far as successful? Well, when a company lays off 30% of the work force and shuts one (of four) plants, that tells you something.
So, I know what I'm talking about since I worked in the industry...you....nothing more then biased (and erroneous) opinion.

I'm sorry for your job loss but you are erroneous in blaming regulations.

Vt. Castings Announces 30 Layoffs in Vermont | [url]www.ourherald.com | Randolph Herald[/url]

some quotes:

Jess Baldwin, head of public relations at the Paris, Kentucky headquarters of the company, characterized the layoffs as seasonal layoffs, coming between the shipping of pre-season orders and responding to new orders as the winter season approaches.

[snip]

“It’s been true for a few years” that the company has had layoffs in the August in-between system, he said. The layoffs this year, however, are “a little deeper than we’ve done in the past,” he acknowledged.

Part of the reason is that under the “lean engineering” principle of manufacturing, Vermont Castings no longer produces many stoves in anticipation of orders.

“Now we pretty much make to order,” he said.

We’re still in good shape,” he commented. “Orders are coming in pretty good” and there is “good stuff happening” in promotional efforts, he said.

Btw there are some prominent US companies that routinely lay off thousands of employees every year, while posting and projecting record earnings at the same time. Sadly in today's corporate culture, layoffs don't tell you anything about how well a company is doing.

 

[RoyJackson]

From a Times-Argus article about the Kansas company that purchased Vermont Castings published 15 months ago.
Two years ago the company relocated its barbecue-grill manufacturing from China back to the United States and to Vermont, Clifford said.


Sorry this article is over 3 years old. But the premise of this thread is doing a little "pretend" that the 1990 clean air act was recently enacted in 2014 and 80% of the woodstoves are going to be taken away.

Boy, you're pretty naive if you believe a PR article...very naive.
Both Monessen and VC were owned by an investment company that specialized in companies in trouble. Riverside (the investment company) got the companies relatively cheap and put some money into them...not much, but some.
Dan Cliffords, the CEO (in that article) was let go about the same time I was laid off.

So, you're naive and maybe not so bright. Must be a Democrat...