Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

[kencunningham]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

No, there is not. But, I feel that you are doing yourself a disservice by the tone of your posts. Civility is something that should be used at all times. Have you ever heard Tom Arnold? He is most likely the most knowledgeable person on this planet about the early case and Ingersoll tractors, however, he has been kicked and banned from every established site due to the fact that his people skills are so poor. To put it more bluntly, he is a Arse. I will all ways look forward to the help and advise you give, and I value your advise greatly, but don't take that as a open invitation to be less than civil. Sometimes people loose sight of the bigger picture. Have a nice day!!!

 

[Shield Arc]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

Ken would you rather me lie to you guys, and say the welds are perfect? Or be honest with you guys? I can blow sunshine all over you guys, if that's what you want:confused3:! But is that going to help?
I've yet to meet a weldor who hasn't made a bad weld. Here is one of mine. It's all me! I can't blame the welding machine one bit.

 

[kencunningham]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

No, not at all. I'm just asking for civil responses, please! I would like to note that anyone can test weld penetration by cutting the weld at 90 degrees and etching it. This will provide a visual representation of the weld penetration. I know just enough about welding to know that I will never know enough. Technique and process have to work together. Actually, the more I learn about welding, the more I realize that I dont know all that much. I am on a personal crusade to see the nice person that I bet you are

 

[Shield Arc]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

I am on a personal crusade to see the nice person that I bet you are

Well there are several members here who have looked me right in the eye. Even more that I've known for years on other sites. We'll see what they have to say later when they get off work.

 

[kencunningham]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

Hey, I just noticed in your Sig , or whatever it's called that you have a model 3 bender. I have a model 4. Have you had any trouble with it? My model 4 has too short u-blocks for use with the small od tube sizes that use 3.5 inch die sets. I had to have longer ones made to be able to make 180 degree bends. I doubt you have had a problem since they work in different ways,but I would like to hear about your experiences with it. I'm on my tablet,but I'll post a pic in a few of the toy in just built my son with my bender.

 

[Shield Arc]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

Have you had any trouble with it?

No I haven't. But I've not used it a whole lot. I got a really good deal off Craigs list. Then bought the hydraulic kit for it. I already had a 120-volt power pump that I use with it.

 

[Sodo]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

That's right mark02tj. Those welds are really weak!

This is false. There is nothing that would break that weld, the 16ga sq tube would break off and the weld would remain intact. But this support is in compression so actually theres nothing that would break that weld except getting rear-ended by another vehicle.

Well I'll continue to post a few simple projects so the first post has some good info and pics. Then let the Arcs have at it as they feel their need, and de-rail off-topic & their other ways to devalue a thread they don't like. They do have the run of the place don't they?

But I think this forum has been purged of anybody who doesn't stand down. A sad situation.

You guys who buy all this stuff hook line and sinker you're leaving some big holes in your learning, be careful repeating it. Hobby/maintenance welding (successful functional) is not that difficult. Good welds are important, pretty welds are a nice benefit but not as important. These two Arcs give good info here and there but mix in a bunch of horespucky too.

Maybe the problem is the closeups, which is kind of a shame because I think members like to see them. Should I refrain from posting weld closeups?

 

[kencunningham]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

To cover by bases, this ride on playground equipment was welded with a 220v mig welder, however, I would not have hesitated to use my Hobart 120v welder if that was all I had. I don't have any good pics of the bender on my computer, however, this one was sent to jd2 to show the problems with there die set. I paid for a 180 degree die set, does it look like 180 to you? Any way, after having a machine shop make the proper parts for me, I was able to make the handles for the ride on toy for my son. I played on one of these when I was a kid, we never had any money, so it belonged to someone who live in our neighborhood. I wanted my son to have one, so I built it myself.

 

[Shield Arc]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

does it look like 180 to you?

No it doesn't!:shocked: Your die is different than mine. My keeper looks like it has a better fit to control the tail of the pipe.

You did a fantastic job on the playground equipment!:thumbsup::cool2:

 

[kencunningham]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

On the mode 3 and 32, the forming die rotates to bend the pipe. On the model 4, the forming die is stationary and a following die is used to bend the pipe to the forming die. In the pic, the block on the left side is called the u-block, notice how much of the forming die is missed because it is too short? The response from jd2 was less than stellar, basically no help at all. At some time in the future I plan on doing a video on utube to show the pros and cons of this bender. There was no such material available online at the time I purchased mine. One thing I would add, if anyone is thinking about getting a electric hydraulic pump to use in this application, make sure it has a brake on the electric motor, this will help prevent overshoots when bending.

Here is a poor pic on the bender with the stand I made for it. This should be the poster child for a new thread on proper heat management to prevent deformation. I had to shim the wheels when I welded them on the account for my over zealousness to "get her done"