Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

[MinnesotaDaveChalmers]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

Exactly. A weld on test plates can be called "weak" because its compared to a better weld, again on test plates. Its useless to compare a servicable weld on something real; to what somebody can do on test plates, but thats welderspeak.

Its valid to judge a weld for its suitability to the task it needs to perform. A weld thats good enough, done once, can be worth 10x as much as one ground out and re-done for better pics. Within reason of course. No point debating this and yes birdpoop is birdpoop.

I think you've missed an important point. Weld tests at the bench prove or disprove the technique, amps, and weld process for what is to occur on an actual repair/build.

Duplicate your "approved procedure" from your tests each time and you know it is a serviceable weld.

Students in a welding class learn it this way so they can apply it in "real life." They are not given some repairs to make as a learning exercise.

This process is duplicated in real welding businesses across the globe by professionals and in home shops by those making sure they get it right.

Making fun of those that prove a procedure in a pro shop or at home makes no sense.

Since tig is still fairly new to me (couple years) I still light up on practice material (steel or aluminum) to ensure I'm about to make a repair that I will not have to cut out and redo.

 

[Sodo]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

Making fun of those that prove a procedure in a pro shop or at home makes no sense.

Dave this is not my intent at all. I fully understand the need and benefits of learning a procedure. Learn to weld the best you can I'm all for it, I wish I had done it in the past or had the time. If somebody popped in to show me some tricks I'd welcome it.

If you suggested I'm making fun of the blowhards (or those studying to be a blowhard) then I'm guilty.

What I'm most guilty of, is using a 120v MIG, in an open and notorious manner. All of the dissent stems from this. If I just showed the projects and never mentioned 120v, there would be no problem. It doesn't appear that the forum is ready for this and frankly it's ludicrous.

 

[MinnesotaDaveChalmers]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

Dave this is not my intent at all. I fully understand the need and benefits of learning a procedure. Learn to weld the best you can I'm all for it, I wish I had done it in the past or had the time. If somebody popped in to show me some tricks I'd welcome it.

If you suggested I'm making fun of the blowhards (or those studying to be a blowhard) then I'm guilty.

What I'm most guilty of, is using a 120v MIG, in an open and notorious manner. All of the dissent stems from this. If I just showed the projects and never mentioned 120v, there would be no problem. It doesn't appear that the forum is ready for this and frankly it's ludicrous.

I've not seen evidence in your posts that you would welcome instruction to better your welding. When someone explains what is incorrect about one of your beads you do not appear to reflect on whether that information is correct. In fact, you gleefully insult sound advice and the people offering it.

The people you call blowhards, and it's obvious who you are referring to, are highly qualified to offer solutions.

From the few threads I've followed so far, your guilt with the 120v comments is ignoring advice to stop telling people to push them past established parameters.

 

[paulharvey]

I've not seen evidence in your posts that you would welcome instruction to better your welding. When someone explains what is incorrect about one of your beads you do not appear to reflect on whether that information is correct. In fact, you gleefully insult sound advice and the people offering it.

The people you call blowhards, and it's obvious who you are referring to, are highly qualified to offer solutions.

From the few threads I've followed so far, your guilt with the 120v comments is ignoring advice to stop telling people to push them past established parameters.

But then again he didn't ask for advice, or say here's my weld, can you please pick it apart. I also didn't think he was bragging that it was perfect; simply functional. It would be kinda like coming to your house to visit and pointing out how ugly you dog is...

Don't get me wrong, the other related threads perhaps got nasty, but the intent of this thread (I believe) was what can be done with limited resources. If you just view this one as a stand alone thread, Sodo wasn't on the offensive. I could be mistaken about the intent;

I think that this is similar to any situation where someone is doing something on there own and getting unasked for advice. If I'm doing something stupid and not asking for advice, don't come up in my yard and tell me a better way. Now, by all means, if I get mad and frustrated and then ask for advice; have at it. Heck, call me stupid for not asking first, that's fine.

This rant really isn't just about welding... there is a reason I and many others avoid practicing anything around "experts", because they often want to give advice. If I'm shooting at a range, and there's a grandmaster sniper there; don't come over and tell me I'm doing it wrong. I would much rather get the basics down before showing anything.

Sorry, it's a personality thing that passes me off. Rant over...

 

[Sodo]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

Dave, they have offered sound advice for welding test plates, I will agree to that.

The biggest problem here, is nobody else is posting any other pics of welds or projects, so mine are the only ones to pick apart. Consequently the 'experts' have to grasp as straws to be able to bring up the subjects they want to address.

Furu says he will start posting pics. He seems motivated. Lets see if he can (help) turn this forum into something more useful than 2 guys just bragging about jobs that not a single other member has done or will ever do, or can learn a single thing from.

 

[Furu]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

I email pictures to Shield Arc all the time for him to critique me on as I value his advise greatly. He tells me when I do good and he tells me when I don't. The mark of an individual and a great teacher/instructor. I can not even begin to tell you how much I have learned from SA. Just wish he was closer but he would have to get a restraining order to keep me away.

I may request that Arc weld let me email him pictures and questions as well as he seems a very knowledgeable individual and SA seems to respect him quite a bit and that is good enough for me.

My problem is I want someone who is clearly "my superior" in whatever field giving me advise on things that might hurt me or those around me.

Check the other thread for projects pictures.

 

[Sodo]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

My problem is I want someone who is clearly "my superior" in whatever field giving me advise on things that might hurt me or those around me.

Distrust the peanut gallery? I can see that, I bet a lot of members are equally scared, can't post without lots of disclaimers and the rest just don't post anything just fumble around in the shop, wishing for the Phantom Shield to visit so they can get "approved" and start to post. I would like to see that changed, post your projects, OWN IT. Maybe members should pay a charity a dollar for every disclaimer. Those who are actually DOING things, doing projects are in the upper echelon, the 1%-ers, and the other 99% fully enjoy watching, reading, hearing the chatter, and hope to be inspired to create something too. (I assume this to be true)

I bet that if I was emailing pics to Shield or Arc prior to posting public they would have an entirely different tact as well. But they just jump right in with horespucky advice because (I think) they have some psychological need to LORD over this forum, quickly chase anybody out who's not able to be lorded over, which has the adverse effect of leaving beginners. They get away with H-P advice because beginners only know what the Arcs say. A bunch of folks who want their butts patted by the arcs bow down too. Sorry that's harsh, just an observation I think it has merit and could be said differently but I can't think of how at the moment.

My problem is I want someone who is clearly "my superior" in whatever field giving me advise on things that might hurt me or those around me.

Paying attention to your peers too won't hurt either. If you believe everything that is told to you (over this forum) I think you will be lacking WRT your peers or in the real world.(again this is IMHO). I honestly don't understand why my opinion of how welding can be done, is any kind of threat. It's done all the time, and it works (just not on the internet, right)? I believe that the way this Forum is LORDed over is leaving members who are hungry for advice, somewhat retarded in their development.

BTW watch that duty cycle you're right on the edge…… about to get shut down and nobody wants to waste their time like that! See I'm willing to learn something! :laughing::laughing:

 

[Furu]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

Do what you want. I do not care.
You maybe happy with your welding and think that you have all the skills that you need. Maybe you do. Maybe you don't. It matters not to me. Just do not put yourself up there as some great expert because you are happy with the results that you have.

As many great learners have said many times in many different ways:

The more I learn the more I know that which I do not know.


There is a place for everybody under the tent here at TBN. Why do you have to feel so threatened by everything. It is the internet. If you do not like it ignore it. If you do not want to see/read inputs from certain folks block them so you do not see their posts.

You say that folks don't do projects because they don't post pictures. Maybe they don't want to bore folks with their projects, maybe they do not have a superiority pride in their projects, maybe they just don't have the time to configure the picture to upload at the allowable size in KB because they are so busy doing projects. You state that we don't do projects because we don't post pictures thus we must only do test plates

Who knows, who cares.

Quit being a victim and get on with life.

 

[kencunningham]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

Do what you want. I do not care.
You maybe happy with your welding and think that you have all the skills that you need. Maybe you do. Maybe you don't. It matters not to me. Just do not put yourself up there as some great expert because you are happy with the results that you have.

As many great learners have said many times in many different ways:

The more I learn the more I know that which I do not know.


There is a place for everybody under the tent here at TBN. Why do you have to feel so threatened by everything. It is the internet. If you do not like it ignore it. If you do not want to see/read inputs from certain folks block them so you do not see their posts.

You say that folks don't do projects because they don't post pictures. Maybe they don't want to bore folks with their projects, maybe they do not have a superiority pride in their projects, maybe they just don't have the time to configure the picture to upload at the allowable size in KB because they are so busy doing projects. You state that we don't do projects because we don't post pictures thus we must only do test plates

Who knows, who cares.

Quit being a victim and get on with life.

Amen! Well said.

 

[Sodo]

Re: Simple cargo bench modification (1/8" steel, using 120v MIG wire-feed welder)

..Just do not put yourself up there as some great expert
..Why do you have to feel so threatened by everything.
..maybe they do not have a superiority pride in their projects
..Quit being a victim and get on with life.

Not an expert, not threatened, not superior, not a victim. Just a hobby/maintenance welder.

Honestly how can you assume this? I just posted some simple project examples that any beginner can do, fairly quickly. Maybe you are describing YOUR fears.

I post stuff because I think members might be interested seeing examples of what can be done. It's called "sharing". I never tell anyone they have do do it my way and I don't have to accept assessments that I find to be 'horse-pucky' but I suppose I could just ignore it. I think the reasonable people have been chased away or at least they tire of the squabbles. Of which there was never any need for.

I am learning "the ways" of this forum though. I can try to avoid inflammatory statements such as "120v".