Only Ram adopting the new tow ratings.

[sparc]

So say magically your current pickup increased its' capacity 700 pounds. Would you do anything differently all the sudden?

What % of the time do you have you pickup maxed out on capacity where you would actually need the extra 700 pounds? For most people it's likely less than 1% of the time.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing but depending on how much it costs it might not be financially necessary to spend extra money to gain capacity that for most people is rarely if ever used. If there was no cost difference then its' a no brainer. But Aluminum is much more expensive than steel and will likely cost quite a bit more to make. We could make trucks out of carbon fiber and cut even more weight but at what point does the cost outweigh the benefit. That's all I'm saying.

Evry time that reduced weighttruck movesit will save fuel, regardless of any load onnthe bed or if a trailer is attached. Since as you point out most pickups spend most of their time empty the fuel savings seems to be more important than a couple hundred pounds gained in payload capacity.

 

[Ford850]

I just read the 2 day old Official ford press ( in pdf format, no less ) release about the 2.7. I guess you didn't know that

It boast some HP and torque #'s but intentionally omits the all important rpm numbers.
That's the kind of stuff that got the small engine companies in trouble years ago and, why lawnmower type engines don't state HP anymore.

It's intentionaly non-information for sure, since HP is calculated from RPM's. You can't state an HP# without knowing the corresponding RPM.

Of couse ford knows this, and knows truck owners want the power at nice low RPM's.

So... back to the posted ford sales video showing the "race" up the mountain. That ford would be running near/at readline to make max horsepower.
You ford pusher guys should at least know what rpm the truck in the video is turning.

Why is ford afraid to publish the rpm numbers?

The reason all numbers aren't published yet is because that's how Ford markets things. They release bits and pieces over several months leading up to a new model. It's what keeps people interested in the new trucks, and is one of the reasons they are so successful. Relax, you'll see plenty more press releases with more details each time, and each time they'll stir up posts on threads like this one.

 

[DarkBlack]

The reason all numbers aren't published yet is because that's how Ford markets things. They release bits and pieces over several months leading up to a new model. It's what keeps people interested in the new trucks, and is one of the reasons they are so successful. Relax, you'll see plenty more press releases with more details each time, and each time they'll stir up posts on threads like this one.

I'm totally relaxed.
I know ford didn't release the high rpm# with the HP#, because they know it's not a "positive number" they would want to advertise.

 

[sld]

I'm totally relaxed.
I know ford didn't release the high rpm# with the HP#, because they know it's not a "positive number" they would want to advertise.

You will be embarrassed when they do post the numbers. I bet the peak torque is at or lower than 3500 rpm's. I'm guessing much lower.

I don't know the reason they didn't post numbers, but I seriously doubt they are trying to hide anything. Look at which mfg in the last 20 years was willing to give up peak numbers to have useable torque down low. That concept seemed to sell a lot of trucks that had the "weak" 5.4L.

 

[jejeosborne]

I'm totally relaxed.
I know ford didn't release the high rpm# with the HP#, because they know it's not a "positive number" they would want to advertise.

Ram 1500 Hemi torque 407@3950, HP 395@5600
3.5 Ecoboost torque 420@2500, HP 365@5000
GM 5.3 torque 383@4100, Hp 355@5600
Ram ecodiesel 420 torque@2000, HP 240@3600

Yeah, I bet the new 2.7 liter will be buzzy. LOL
Direct Injection Turbo charged Gassers make big torque down low. Read up on the technology. In addition, they get to take advantage of revving high to produce big HP unlike a diesel. Best of both worlds in terms of HP and Torque curves.

 

[fordmantpw]

That's why I quit 'discussing' this with DarkBlack. He doesn't care about the facts...

 

[94BULLITT]

That video doesn't prove squat in the real world. LOL.

What RPM's was the ford being revved at?
Does the average truck customer want to tow a trailer on a long trip with the engine buzzing, redlining in the range that a gas engine needs to make it's power? Answer:NO!!

What is the difference in a gas powered truck running at red line and a diesel powered truck running at red line?

 

[wmonroe]

What is the difference in a gas powered truck running at red line and a diesel powered truck running at red line?

I'm not choosing a side in this "discussion" but this is my thinking. I would not want to run any engine at redline. Most engines gas or diesel have their rated horsepower usually close to redline, probably within 500 rpm's most of the time. The difference between the gas or diesel is that a diesel is made to run at rated rpm's continuously where a gas engine is not. If my tractor had a redline it would probably be about 3000, yet I run it for hours at 2700 rpm (which is max hp and pto speed) and never think twice about it. I can't imagine running the engine in my wrangler at 4,000 rpm for very long and it has a redline just over 5000 rpm. Not saying it makes one engine better, their just not the same.

 

[jejeosborne]

I'm not choosing a side in this "discussion" but this is my thinking. I would not want to run any engine at redline. Most engines gas or diesel have their rated horsepower usually close to redline, probably within 500 rpm's most of the time. The difference between the gas or diesel is that a diesel is made to run at rated rpm's continuously where a gas engine is not. If my tractor had a redline it would probably be about 3000, yet I run it for hours at 2700 rpm (which is max hp and pto speed) and never think twice about it. I can't imagine running the engine in my wrangler at 4,000 rpm for very long and it has a redline just over 5000 rpm. Not saying it makes one engine better, their just not the same.

No need to choose sides. Truck engines during normal operation are not continuously running anywhere near their i dontred lines. Nobody knows what the curves look like for the 2.7 yet so anyone can only hope for the numbers to be awesome or terrible. I can tell you the current version ecoboost turns fewer revolutions per mile than any V8 gasser in a half ton today. In fact, I still have uneasy feelings when I see my truck dipping to 900 rpms before downshifting or unlocking the TC. My wrangler 4.0 makes decent torque down low and I'm guessing has a pretty low redline. I agree they sound unhappy at high revs but I doubt any damage is being done.

 

[DarkBlack]

What is the difference in a gas powered truck running at red line and a diesel powered truck running at red line?

About 2,000 rpm's