Only Ram adopting the new tow ratings.

[dodge man]

With a user name like Dodge Man you can guess what is my favorite brand. In the past I've talked to people that were interested in buying a Dodge or Chrysler product. They would say they drove them and liked them but would always seem almost afraid of them. Almost like they were buying some unknown brand of something. I think by marketing and word of mouth people are starting to accept them and not be afraid of buying one. This attitude among the public might explain some of the market share Ram has gained.

I will also say without a doubt all of the big three plus some of the imports make a great truck. There might be something with one brand you like better but it appears to be a dead heat to me.

 

[fordmantpw]

With a user name like Dodge Man you can guess what is my favorite brand. In the past I've talked to people that were interested in buying a Dodge or Chrysler product. They would say they drove them and liked them but would always seem almost afraid of them. Almost like they were buying some unknown brand of something. I think by marketing and word of mouth people are starting to accept them and not be afraid of buying one. This attitude among the public might explain some of the market share Ram has gained.

I will also say without a doubt all of the big three plus some of the imports make a great truck. There might be something with one brand you like better but it appears to be a dead heat to me.

I agree with you (except your favorite brand ). They are all great trucks, and there are things that each does better than the rest.

I think another part of the reason Ram has increased was the GM buyout. The typical brand wars were between GM and Ford since they sold the most. When GM took the bailout (I know, Dodge/Ram/Chrysler did too), many people swore off GM. However, they couldn't bring themselves to buy a Ford since they badmouthed them for years, and they were too 'red blooded American' to buy an import, so the only thing left was Dodge. Once they drove the Ram, they saw that it was actually better than what GM had and so they bought it.

I'm not saying Dodge is bad, just saying that's how I think Ram gained some of their sales. I think they are a solid truck, and would probably be second on my list after Ford.

 

[jejeosborne]

With a user name like Dodge Man you can guess what is my favorite brand. In the past I've talked to people that were interested in buying a Dodge or Chrysler product. They would say they drove them and liked them but would always seem almost afraid of them. Almost like they were buying some unknown brand of something. I think by marketing and word of mouth people are starting to accept them and not be afraid of buying one. This attitude among the public might explain some of the market share Ram has gained.

I will also say without a doubt all of the big three plus some of the imports make a great truck. There might be something with one brand you like better but it appears to be a dead heat to me.

I agree that all current makes are great trucks and none are duds to steer clear of as long as they spec out to the needs.

I couldn't create a screen name with a specific brand because the brand I choose changes too often. Three years ago I would have shared your screen name. Today it would be Ford Man. Tomorrow and on......don't know. My needs and their models change too much. I wouldn't be brand loyal to any particular brand unless employed by said brand because I would miss out on something possibly better.

 

[roadhunter]

Is this one truck you mention the Ram 1500?

With the eco boost diesel.

 

[DarkBlack]

Because we don't have the actual numbers yet, so we are using an existing engine built off of a similar architecture as an example.

Seriously, are you doing anything other than bashing the Ford simply because it is a Ford? Open your eyes and your mind and you can see what's going on...Ford is releasing an awesome engine in an awesome truck. You're just hurt because it isn't your brand that's doing it.

I just read the 2 day old Official ford press ( in pdf format, no less ) release about the 2.7. I guess you didn't know that

It boast some HP and torque #'s but intentionally omits the all important rpm numbers.
That's the kind of stuff that got the small engine companies in trouble years ago and, why lawnmower type engines don't state HP anymore.

It's intentionaly non-information for sure, since HP is calculated from RPM's. You can't state an HP# without knowing the corresponding RPM.

Of couse ford knows this, and knows truck owners want the power at nice low RPM's.

So... back to the posted ford sales video showing the "race" up the mountain. That ford would be running near/at readline to make max horsepower.
You ford pusher guys should at least know what rpm the truck in the video is turning.

Why is ford afraid to publish the rpm numbers?

 

[DarkBlack]

Where did I insult Dodge? DarkBlack is the one hurling insults at the 2.7L that he knows nothing about. I have given Ram props for bringing a diesel to market to help those who must have a diesel. I have also stated that it's probably not the best solution in a half-ton given other alternatives, or new alternatives in the pipeline. That's not insulting, just stating facts!

I have also mentioned that no matter which truck you buy, it will be a good truck. In my experience, the bashing comes from other brand fans, and the Ford fans just end up defending Ford. Read back through this thread and see who has hurled the most negative things, or the words with the most negative connotation. It's not the Ford fans.

Yes, yes, you are such an innocent casual poster. Strange, that every Ram related thread has you and your ford sales twin, 'pilot' doing your best to beat to death some perceived weakness of the Ram.
Like the full rpm "matted to the floor" video posted on this SAE tow ratings thread. What does that have to do with the SAE J2807 tow rating system?

BTW: I actually gave ford a plug for using the aluminum. I think you missed that one.

 

[fordmantpw]

FYI, the video was NOT posted in this thread, a link to a press release stating that Ford is adopting the SAE standard was posted. That page happened to have a video on it as well. I'm sorry if that was too much for you to handle.

I am done here. There is nothing more for me to say. You only see the negative in what I post (even if it isn't negative), so there's no point in me wasting my time here any more.

 

[DarkBlack]

Aww shucks, don't be like that. It's give and take.

 

[jejeosborne]

Interesting how a thread about new towing ratings ends up focused on 1 truck that probably makes up far less than even 1% of the trucks manufactured. I guess that is what the Ford guys want to talk about so here we are. SSDD

Is this one truck you mention the Ram 1500?

With the eco boost diesel.

The OP believed that only Ram had adopted the new standards. Ram 1500, ecodiesel or otherwise, is 1/3 of Ram's offerings in which the original article boast about meeting this standard. For that reason, it should be fair game to discuss its strengths and weaknesses. The ecodiesel and hemi versions have similar Payload numbers so engine isn't a factor.

 

[Code54]

In the past I've talked to people that were interested in buying a Dodge or Chrysler product. They would say they drove them and liked them but would always seem almost afraid of them. Almost like they were buying some unknown brand of something. I think by marketing and word of mouth people are starting to accept them and not be afraid of buying one. This attitude among the public might explain some of the market share Ram has gained.

Funny you mention that. 7-8 years ago I would have NEVER bought a Dodge. No if's and's or but's... Now I drive own one and have had 2 for work trucks. About 6 or so years ago work got me one - Not a bad truck and I never had a problem with it. At about 90K work gets rid of any truck so they said pick a new one. A Dodge Ram was an option so I got another new one. Well I really liked it, a lot. After about a year with it I had a few little things go wrong with my personal truck and started thinking I wanted a more Heavy Duty truck anyway so started looking around. I ended up buying a 2500 RAM CTD and could not be more happy with it. Again, years ago I would never of even considered it, bad tranny's, lots of friends that were having problems, etc.... So far mine has been great and I have not had any problems. It seems RAM has made the bend and really started making a nice truck. Do they have some bugs and weakness - yep, heck I wish mine got 20+mph but it doesn't... Such as life, it is a weakness I can live with however.

As for the 700lbs, or the little extra tow capacity - I am also a believer that if you tow heavy at all, buy a ¾ ton or bigger. 1 time or 1000 times towing heavy doesn't matter to me as I want something with more capability than I ever need. Not saying everyone needs to feel that way but when my safety and families safety is involved I rather pay a few bucks more and have something I feel is more capable and safe. I just am not big on running at max capability when towing - did it with the old ½ ton once - was not a good feeling with 10.5K of trailer behind it on the mountain roads of WV. Now the RAM is an entirely different story. It feels far more planted and safe, but I am also not sitting real close to the max and the RAM cost a fair amount more. I would expect the same would be true for any of the ¾ tons.