So much for a Nissan Leaf!

[houstonscott]

The good old days. Anyone else remember when scenes like this were the symbol of prosperity? <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/files/rural-living/384971-so-much-nissan-leaf-smokestacks-jpg"/> Photo collection: Stunning Photos of 1940s Pittsburgh: Life Before Effective Air Pollution Laws | TakePart Bruce

Key work you used was "remember". It's in the past. Here's some of your green prosperity TODAY in Pittsburgh. HS

 

[Pilot]

Hey, Loren, something we agree on, a concern about the junk we send out to sea!

I'm not sure about the numbers and didn't check your sources. Advocacy groups are famous for exaggeration but regardless of the numbers I don't think it's wise to go on using the ocean as a huge garbage dump.

Of course this is kind of off topic...

 

[Loren49]

Hey, Loren, something we agree on, a concern about the junk we send out to sea!

I'm not sure about the numbers and didn't check your sources. Advocacy groups are famous for exaggeration but regardless of the numbers I don't think it's wise to go on using the ocean as a huge garbage dump.

Of course this is kind of off topic...

Pilot,
Thanks for the post. I actually intended on posting references to current air pollution trends.

I have done a good deal of sailing on both Lake Ontario and along the east coast. It's depressing that we accept the pollution the keeps us from consuming much of the fish in our lakes and rivers.
Great Lakes Fish Consumption Advisories
Human Health: Fish consumption -- Critical contaminants in fish
Critical contaminants in fish
Many chemical contaminants are present in surface waters at very low concentrations. Some of these chemicals can bioaccumulate in aquatic organisms via their diet and become concentrated at levels that are much higher than in the water itself. This is especially true for substances that do not break down readily in the environment, such as persistent chemicals - like toxaphene and PCBs. In the process of feeding, these persistent chemicals are collected.

Self regulation has failed and the challenge in many areas is regulation that has the planned results with as little damage in other areas as possible. Though this is off topic it does have a clear connection in the area of regulations.

Loren

 

[cqaigy2]

Key work you used was "remember". It's in the past. Here's some of your green prosperity TODAY in Pittsburgh. HS

You can find places such as that, anywhere, actually what killed those areas, off is the high level of accumulated toxins made people move out and made it too expensive for anybody to move in and renovate to safe levels. And the Key word "remember" is that efforts to improve water, air and land quality was resisted just as vociferously back in the day as now.

 

[houstonscott]

You can find places such as that, anywhere, actually what killed those areas, off is the high level of accumulated toxins made people move out and made it too expensive for anybody to move in and renovate to safe levels. And the Key word "remember" is that efforts to improve water, air and land quality was resisted just as vociferously back in the day as now.

Yeah, right. HS

 

[SPIKER]

You can find places such as that, anywhere, actually what killed those areas, off is the high level of accumulated toxins made people move out and made it too expensive for anybody to move in and renovate to safe levels. And the Key word "remember" is that efforts to improve water, air and land quality was resisted just as vociferously back in the day as now.

I would disagree with your statement in that those areas were "Mandated" out of existence the workers are still in the area as they are not able to move away to better jobs. The fact is those early days of EPA were needed and the push back was not that strong, vs the mandates today which are less and less effective cost much much more in both Jobs and $. The "Returns" on the new mandates are trying to gain 1/2 or 1/3% vs the 40 or 50% regulations of back in the day. To get this extra 1/2% of EPA Clean Mandates costs about 10 times what the previous 40 or 50% reductions. The cost to Jobs, Consumers and Areas are so much greater than the end result is worth. That is why so many companies will never return to US why Steel and Coal companies are losing $ & failing. This goes into ALL the little industries who crop up around the bigger ones. Small companies are usually first to fail as the big ones use stock and bank loans to stay afloat until it crashes.

The pollution has moved out of USA and into India, China & South American countries taking the jobs with it so in real time the pollution has NOT been FIXED only MOVED taking the jobs to those countries. The Cost to Electrical Generation companies will drive many to lose $ and in long term all that costs are pushed onto the consumer who no longer has $ to spend on other stuff. all in all this is a MAJOR net LOSS to the USA. AND a MAJOR transfer of pollution from our country where we control it to places where it is UNCONTROLLED and those places now look like Pittsburgh or Cleveland in the 40's...

Mark

 

[Pixguy]

Yea, and luckily none of that pollution blows this way.

 

[sld]

The warmers like to fool you into thinking it's all about the WARMING! Most use this as a front to attack pollution issues.

I definitely like to see some controls on pollution but common sense goes a long ways in the risk / reward analysis.

I don't know why they hide behind the warming issue. Did they wear out their welcome fighting the pollution cause?

 

[DarkBlack]

You can find places such as that, anywhere, actually what killed those areas, off is the high level of accumulated toxins made people move out and made it too expensive for anybody to move in and renovate to safe levels. And the Key word "remember" is that efforts to improve water, air and land quality was resisted just as vociferously back in the day as now.

Speaking of toxins, I see a lot of water bodies closed off lately because of toxins from algae fueled by excess duck and geese poop.
Looks like we're going to have to open this 'war on mother earth' to include more guilty species, than just the humans.

 

[cqaigy2]

Yeah, right. HS

touche, or more to your liking touchet