So much for a Nissan Leaf!

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   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #741  
:confused: Any factual support for your claim that governments buy most EVs? ...or that gasoline/diesel pump costs are way less than true costs! Your denial is clear and you provide no factual support other than "trust me" which I don't. The True Cost of Gasoline is Closer to $15 a Gallon (Video) : TreeHugger "I recently wrote an in-depth examination of the true cost of fossil fuels, where I looked at the various significant costs that refining and burning oil, coal, and natural gas impose on the public. Suffice to say that when you factor in all of the government subsidies and 'externalities' (increased health costs from respiratory sickness, environmental degradation, etc; the stuff that we all have to pay for maybe not from our wallets but in our tax returns), the true price of fossil fuels is much, much higher than any individual or company pays. Gasoline is no exception." The Real Cost of Oil: How much are we paying for a gallon of gas? "But the real price of gas is much higher and camouflaged by myriad direct and indirect costs associated with maintaining our oil economy. How much are you actually paying for gas? Take a closer look at the hidden bills footed by your taxes: The cost of securing our access to Middle East oil..is estimated at $50 billion per year.. The federal government subsidizes the oil industry with numerous tax breaks and government protection programs worth billions of dollars annually. These benefits are designed to ensure that domestic oil companies can compete with international producers and that gasoline remains cheap for American consumers." From a 2002 report... True Cost of Gasoline artificial subsidies - The Progress Report Far From Free-Market Prices for Gasoline True Cost of U.S. Gasoline is $15.14 per Gallon, Report Says by Tom Doggett & edited by The Progress Report staff So you think you’re getting a good deal on a tank of gasoline these days? You wouldn’t think so if all the oil industry tax subsidies received from the federal and state governments and other costs that went into producing that gallon of gasoline were included in the pump price. Such external costs push the true price of gasoline as high as $15.14 a gallon, according to a new report released by the International Centre for Technology Assessment. “In reality, the external costs of using our cars are much higher than we may realize,” the Washington-based research group said in its report." I did not ignore your claim, I asked for a some facts not an anti science sidestep. What were you claiming about subsidies? At $15/gallon the EVs look different. Loren
Your articles don't sight one subsidy, but are liberal drivel, did you read the trash you linked too? Tax breaks are NOT subsidies! Our form of government is setup to protect our property, and businesses, not control our lives ( we are free), unlike all other governments before us, ours is different, not sure you understand that, your argument is bogus. Governments don't pay oil companies, that's propaganda. If you google government Prius purchases you'll find your proof of my assertion, there are thousands. THE GOVERNMENT PURCHASED 300 NEW PRIUS HS
 
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   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #742  
Golf carts aren't much fun at -25C, and AFAIK, don't come with snow tires.

Rgds, D.

What's the range of a typical battery car used on a -25C day driving through snow, with snow tires, with the passenger cabin heated?
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #743  
I see Loren49 is still copy and pasting feverishly as usual, but it looks like the intellectual quality of the copied material has taken a hit lately .
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #745  
I see Loren49 is still copy and pasting feverishly as usual, but it looks like the intellectual quality of the copied material has taken a hit lately .

there is one of those (cut-n-pastas) on another forum I frequent and I finally put that person on ignore.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #746  
I think it is silly to argue about, and arguing will not change anyone's mind...but I will add this classic, in hopes of lightening the mood a little.

Whenever I get a package of plain M&Ms, I make it my duty to continue the
strength and robustness of the candy as a species. To this end, I hold
M&M duels.

Taking two candies between my thumb and forefinger, I apply pressure,
squeezing them together until one of them cracks and splinters. That is
the "loser," and I eat the inferior one immediately. The winner gets to
go another round.

I have found that, in general, the brown and red M&Ms are tougher, and
the newer blue ones are genetically inferior. I have hypothesized that
the blue M&Ms as a race cannot survive long in the intense theatre of
competition that is the modern candy and snack-food world.

Occasionally I will get a mutation, a candy that is misshapen, or
pointier, or flatter than the rest. Almost invariably this proves to be
a weakness, but on very rare occasions it gives the candy extra strength.
In this way, the species continues to adapt to its environment.

When I reach the end of the pack, I am left with one M&M, the strongest
of the herd. Since it would make no sense to eat this one as well, I pack
it neatly in an envelope and send it to M&M Mars, A Division of Mars,
Inc., Hackettstown, NJ 17840-1503 U.S.A., along with a 3x5 card reading,
"Please use this M&M for breeding purposes."

This week they wrote back to thank me, and sent me a coupon for a free
1/2 pound bag of plain M&Ms. I consider this "grant money." I have set
aside the weekend for a grand tournament. From a field of hundreds, we
will discover the True Champion.

There can be only one.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #747  
I think it is silly to argue about, and arguing will not change anyone's mind...but I will add this classic, in hopes of lightening the mood a little.

Whenever I get a package of plain M&Ms, I make it my duty to continue the
strength and robustness of the candy as a species. To this end, I hold
M&M duels.

Taking two candies between my thumb and forefinger, I apply pressure,
squeezing them together until one of them cracks and splinters. That is
the "loser," and I eat the inferior one immediately. The winner gets to
go another round.

I have found that, in general, the brown and red M&Ms are tougher, and
the newer blue ones are genetically inferior. I have hypothesized that
the blue M&Ms as a race cannot survive long in the intense theatre of
competition that is the modern candy and snack-food world.

Occasionally I will get a mutation, a candy that is misshapen, or
pointier, or flatter than the rest. Almost invariably this proves to be
a weakness, but on very rare occasions it gives the candy extra strength.
In this way, the species continues to adapt to its environment.

When I reach the end of the pack, I am left with one M&M, the strongest
of the herd. Since it would make no sense to eat this one as well, I pack
it neatly in an envelope and send it to M&M Mars, A Division of Mars,
Inc., Hackettstown, NJ 17840-1503 U.S.A., along with a 3x5 card reading,
"Please use this M&M for breeding purposes."

This week they wrote back to thank me, and sent me a coupon for a free
1/2 pound bag of plain M&Ms. I consider this "grant money." I have set
aside the weekend for a grand tournament. From a field of hundreds, we
will discover the True Champion.

There can be only one.

Thanks for that Jack, I'd like to come see the grand tournament. Do they allow visitors where you're kept? What are the visiting hours?

:D
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #750  
Simple questions. Doesn't the majority of electricity come from natural gas and coal? And isn't coal and natural gas a fossil fuel? So why the electric car? Where is the benefit realized?
 
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