1983 Ford 1700 - Clutch stopped working

   / 1983 Ford 1700 - Clutch stopped working #21  
What is stopped or stuck? please elaborate. did the tracotr died and does not start or you can clutch? can you put the gear in neutral ? can gravity hep you to move the tracotr. Make sure your break is in working condition. Is anything hanging from the 3 point, be ready to lower to stop the tracotr. You do have an inspection hole that is covered by a rubber cap, by removing that and using a flash light you should be able to see clutch disk engaging or disengaging.

JC,
 
   / 1983 Ford 1700 - Clutch stopped working
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#22  
I will go try to do what you said, "put it in gear, depress the clutch, and try to start...", but, I'm pretty sure the tractor won't engage the starter if it's IN gear.
 
   / 1983 Ford 1700 - Clutch stopped working #23  
It will . if your neutral safety circuit is attached and works. Once you clutch (if you have a working Neutral safety) it will complete the ignition circuit as soon as you tune the key to start.

JC,
 
   / 1983 Ford 1700 - Clutch stopped working
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#24  
Well; I guess my neutral safety doesn't work. Unless the gear shift is in "neutral", the turning of the key does nothing. Pressing the clutch in makes no difference.

I got a dump truck and dragged tractor out of it's "resting spot" for the last 2 months and got it on flat ground in the driveway. As I coasted down the driveway, (down hill - with the tractor running and in neutral), I got it into gear; with only a minor grinding. As I came up to where I planned to park it, and pressed in the clutch, it did nothing to halt the "drive" of the tractor. Had to jump on the brakes and pull it out of gear before plowing into my house.

Not sure what's going on. I plan to disconnect the clutch linkage and adjust it so that depressing the clutch pedal actuates the clutch more than current. Not sure if that's what you folks mean by 'adjust the free play', but, hopefully this helps.

Let me konw if you think I'm going down the wrong path.

Thank you!

Jay
 
   / 1983 Ford 1700 - Clutch stopped working #25  
Well; I guess my neutral safety doesn't work. Unless the gear shift is in "neutral", the turning of the key does nothing. Pressing the clutch in makes no difference.

Do you have juice in the battery? can you turn the engine over with the battery? does the starter work? does the engine want to start when yu turn the key, pressing the clutch only disengags transmission from engine,

I got a dump truck and dragged tractor out of it's "resting spot" for the last 2 months and got it on flat ground in the driveway. As I coasted down the driveway, (down hill - with the tractor running and in neutral), I got it into gear; with only a minor grinding. As I came up to where I planned to park it, and pressed in the clutch, it did nothing to halt the "drive" of the tractor. Had to jump on the brakes and pull it out of gear before plowing into my house.

Tractor running and in neural?? so with the clutch out tractor is moivng? running? as tractor engine is on?

Not sure what's going on. I plan to disconnect the clutch linkage and adjust it so that depressing the clutch pedal actuates the clutch more than current. Not sure if that's what you folks mean by 'adjust the free play', but, hopefully this helps.

As I suggested before, you can take the hand hole inspection hole cover off and inspect the clutch operation pretty easily.


I don't have enough solid information so far, but if clucth is way out of adjustment (fingers too far from pressure plate) then you can even move the gear in neutral position.if release bearing is constantly riding the pressure plate than clutch plate might be slipping constantly. Again all of this can be inspected by having some one clutch on demand while you are watching with a flash light shining inside the housing , simple as that.

Jc,

Let me konw if you think I'm going down the wrong path.
 
   / 1983 Ford 1700 - Clutch stopped working
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#26  
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Well; I guess my neutral safety doesn't work. Unless the gear shift is in "neutral", the turning of the key does nothing. Pressing the clutch in makes no difference.

Do you have juice in the battery? can you turn the engine over with the battery? does the starter work? does the engine want to start when yu turn the key, pressing the clutch only disengags transmission from engine. JP: YES, PLENTY OF JUICE IN THE BATTERY. STARTS UP AND RUNS FANTASTIC.

I got a dump truck and dragged tractor out of it's "resting spot" for the last 2 months and got it on flat ground in the driveway. As I coasted down the driveway, (down hill - with the tractor running and in neutral), I got it into gear; with only a minor grinding. As I came up to where I planned to park it, and pressed in the clutch, it did nothing to halt the "drive" of the tractor. Had to jump on the brakes and pull it out of gear before plowing into my house.

Tractor running and in neural?? so with the clutch out tractor is moivng? running? as tractor engine is on? TRACTOR RUNNING IN NEUTRAL. CLUTCH IS OUT AND SINCE NOT IN GEAR, SHE NO MOOOOVE; AND YES, ENGINE RUNNING.

Not sure what's going on. I plan to disconnect the clutch linkage and adjust it so that depressing the clutch pedal actuates the clutch more than current. Not sure if that's what you folks mean by 'adjust the free play', but, hopefully this helps.

As I suggested before, you can take the hand hole inspection hole cover off and inspect the clutch operation pretty easily. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE HAND HOLE INSPECTION HOLE IS, BUT, CHECKING MY OWNERS MANUAL AND INTERNET NOW. I ASSUME, WHEN I FIND IT, THAT I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING DISENGAGE. (ITS EMBARASSING THAT I DO HONESTLY KNOW QUITE A BIT ABOUT ENGINES AND SUCH, BUT, NOT MUCH ABOUT CLUTCHES. NEVER WORKED ON ONE. MY IMPRESSION IS, WITH THE CLUTCH PEDAL DEPRESSED, IT PUSHES SOMETHING THAT THEN GOES INTO A 'THROW OUT BEARING' [I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AT THIS POINT] WHICH DISENGAGES THE ENGINE DRIVE LINE FROM EITHER THE TRANNY OR DRIVE SHAFT. I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING PULLING CIRCULARLY OFF THE DRIVE SHAFT OR HORIZONTALLY AWAY FROM ...A DRIVE "PLATE". NO IDEA).


I don't have enough solid information so far, but if clucth is way out of adjustment (fingers too far from pressure plate) then you can even move the gear in neutral position.if release bearing is constantly riding the pressure plate than clutch plate might be slipping constantly. Again all of this can be inspected by having some one clutch on demand while you are watching with a flash light shining inside the housing , simple as that. AND THIS IS THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION/TOPIC. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND THE CLUTCH HOLE INSPECTION AND HAVE SOMEONE ACTUATE THE CLUTCH ...BUT I WON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR OR AT.

I THOUGHT IT WAS RELEVENT TO NOTE THAT WHEN I WAS COASTING DOWN THE DRIVEWAY, ENGINE RUNNING, TRANNY IN NEUTRAL ...THAT I COULD SEE I WASN'T GOING TO MAKE IT ALL THE WAY TO MY DESIRED DESTINATION IN THE DRIVEWAY SO I GENTLY TRIED TO EASE IT INTO A HIGH GEAR (3RD) AND IT WENT IN WITH LITTLE FUSS. SO NOW I'M DRIVING IN 3RD GEAR BUT AS I CAME UP TO THE AREA WHERE I WANTED TO PARK, PUSHING IN THE CLUTCH DID NOT DISENGAGE THE "DRIVE". SHE KEPT FORGING AHEAD. I HIT THE BRAKES AND PULLED IT OUT OF GEAR. ALL IS GOOD (NO DAMAGE, DIDN'T HIT ANYTING) BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE CLUTCH IS "DOING IT'S JOB". READING MANUAL NOW AND LOOKING UP "HOW DOES A CLUTCH WORK".

Jc,

Let me konw if you think I'm going down the wrong path.
 
   / 1983 Ford 1700 - Clutch stopped working #27  
Ok. If the tractor is moving and rpm is right you might be able to shift with partial clutching. if the tractor continues running assuming you are in 3rd gear then the clutch probably not slipping. I think , hopefully you clutch is just out f adjustment as the throwout bearing /fork is not close enough to touch the finger on pressure plate hence not able to disengage clutch. Look at the attached video , it will learn ya how them clutches work. By the way like I said several times, if you get some one to sit on the tractor,with engine off, transmission cover removed and with the help of flash light you can see the inside with the fork, bearing, and clutch fingers. once you ask you helper to clutch you can see fork move forward and bearing touch and you can even see pressure plate move to disengage the flywheel and pressure plate.

Do look at the video below.

JC,



HowStuffWorks "How Clutches Work"
 
   / 1983 Ford 1700 - Clutch stopped working
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#28  
Thank you so much!!! I will watch the video shortly. Quick question: is the transmission cover the plate below the two gear shifts? Facing up at me betwixt my legs??

Thank you!!!
 
   / 1983 Ford 1700 - Clutch stopped working #29  
Thank you so much!!! I will watch the video shortly. Quick question: is the transmission cover the plate below the two gear shifts? Facing up at me betwixt my legs??

Thank you!!!

No. do not open that as you will screw up your shifter detent mechanism. it is on the side of the bell housing on the right side of tractor. Look at the attached pics.

JC,











 
   / 1983 Ford 1700 - Clutch stopped working
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#30  
Ya know, JC, I'm not sure if these words have ever been uttered before, but, "a picture is like a 1000 words"!. Thank you, for the pics and the video too. I'll go pop open my hand hole cover and see what's what in there when someone depresses the clutch.

Guesses? A little 'stickin' goin on inside here??
 

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