So much for a Nissan Leaf!

[mikehaugen]

I suppose lake Huron and Lake Ontario could be considered dedicated to cooling nuclear reactors.

Maybe "most" was a poor choice of words. After looking around a little I admit I am surprised how many use natural bodies of water for cooling.

 

[Loren49]

Loren, I don't post UN truths. 'Global warming has been on pause for 19 years': Study reveals Earth's temperature has remained almost CONSTANT since 1995 | Mail Online Loren look at your own verbiage above "Scientists from intergovernmental Panel". THEY lie! They have been caught, and admitted altering the data for an agenda. It's a hoax. Atmospheric gases are and have already been shown to be the wrong science to understand global climate change, they don't even have an impact on global climates, orbital science and sun output is the controlling science, CO2 has nothing to do with it, the only reason it hangs on is because it's the only "man link" the hoax'ers can make to forward their agenda. You got dooped. Happy 18th Birthday No Global Warming! After Nearly Two Decades, We're Still Waiting for the Climate to Change I think your continued statement that a "majority of scientists agree" is also untrue. HS

Addressing your accusations:
Global warming conspiracy theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Global warming conspiracy theorists typically allege that, through worldwide acts of professional and criminal misconduct, the science behind global warming has been invented or distorted for ideological or financial reasons, or both.[1][2]

The evidence for global warming due to human influence has been recognized by the national science academies of all the major industrialized countries.[6] No scientific body of national or international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting from the summary conclusions of the IPCC.[7]

Steve Connor links the terms "hoax" and "conspiracy," saying, "Reading through the technical summary of this draft (IPCC) report, it is clear that no one could go away with the impression that climate change is some conspiratorial hoax by the science establishment, as some would have us believe."[17]

The documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle received criticism from several experts. George Monbiot described it as "the same old conspiracy theory that we致e been hearing from the denial industry for the past ten years".[18]

There is evidence that some of those alleging such conspiracies are part of well-funded misinformation campaigns designed to manufacture controversy, undermine the scientific consensus on climate change and downplay the projected effects of global warming.[23][24] Individuals and organisations kept the global warming debate alive long after most scientists had reached their conclusions. These doubts have influenced policymakers in both Canada and the US, and have helped to form government policies.[24]
Since the late 1980s, this well-coordinated, well-funded campaign by contrarian scientists, free-market think tanks and industry has created a paralyzing fog of doubt around climate change. Through advertisements, op-eds, lobbying and media attention, greenhouse doubters (they hate being called deniers) argued first that the world is not warming; measurements indicating otherwise are flawed, they said. Then they claimed that any warming is natural, not caused by human activities. Now they contend that the looming warming will be minuscule and harmless. "They patterned what they did after the tobacco industry," says former senator Tim Wirth, who spearheaded environmental issues as an under secretary of State in the Clinton administration. "Both figured, sow enough doubt, call the science uncertain and in dispute. That's had a huge impact on both the public and Congress."
The truth about denial, S. Begley, Newsweek[25]

In a piece headed Crichton's conspiracy theory, Harold Evans described Crichton's theory as being "in the paranoid political style identified by the renowned historian Richard Hofstadter," and went on to suggest that "if you happen to be in the market for a conspiracy theory today, there's a rather more credible one documented by the pressure group Greenpeace," namely the funding by ExxonMobil of groups opposed to the theory of global warming.[35]

Lots of funding for denial from outside interests (fossil fuel industry)

Please quit injecting your denial into otherwise less political threads.

Loren

 

[houstonscott]

Addressing your accusations: Global warming conspiracy theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Global warming conspiracy theorists typically allege that, through worldwide acts of professional and criminal misconduct, the science behind global warming has been invented or distorted for ideological or financial reasons, or both.[1][2] The evidence for global warming due to human influence has been recognized by the national science academies of all the major industrialized countries.[6] No scientific body of national or international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting from the summary conclusions of the IPCC.[7] Steve Connor links the terms "hoax" and "conspiracy," saying, "Reading through the technical summary of this draft (IPCC) report, it is clear that no one could go away with the impression that climate change is some conspiratorial hoax by the science establishment, as some would have us believe."[17] The documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle received criticism from several experts. George Monbiot described it as "the same old conspiracy theory that we致e been hearing from the denial industry for the past ten years".[18] There is evidence that some of those alleging such conspiracies are part of well-funded misinformation campaigns designed to manufacture controversy, undermine the scientific consensus on climate change and downplay the projected effects of global warming.[23][24] Individuals and organisations kept the global warming debate alive long after most scientists had reached their conclusions. These doubts have influenced policymakers in both Canada and the US, and have helped to form government policies.[24] Since the late 1980s, this well-coordinated, well-funded campaign by contrarian scientists, free-market think tanks and industry has created a paralyzing fog of doubt around climate change. Through advertisements, op-eds, lobbying and media attention, greenhouse doubters (they hate being called deniers) argued first that the world is not warming; measurements indicating otherwise are flawed, they said. Then they claimed that any warming is natural, not caused by human activities. Now they contend that the looming warming will be minuscule and harmless. "They patterned what they did after the tobacco industry," says former senator Tim Wirth, who spearheaded environmental issues as an under secretary of State in the Clinton administration. "Both figured, sow enough doubt, call the science uncertain and in dispute. That's had a huge impact on both the public and Congress." The truth about denial, S. Begley, Newsweek[25] In a piece headed Crichton's conspiracy theory, Harold Evans described Crichton's theory as being "in the paranoid political style identified by the renowned historian Richard Hofstadter," and went on to suggest that "if you happen to be in the market for a conspiracy theory today, there's a rather more credible one documented by the pressure group Greenpeace," namely the funding by ExxonMobil of groups opposed to the theory of global warming.[35] Lots of funding for denial from outside interests (fossil fuel industry) Please quit injecting your denial into otherwise less political threads. Loren

Well it's hard to swallow the fact that there has been no warming in last 19 years, the Arctic ice has not melted, polar bear numbers have exploded, world ocean levels remain same, and there remains not "even a smidgen of evidence" (lol) man burning fossil fuels has raised or changed global temperatures. For now global warming caused by mans activities on earth remain nothing but fiction in a computer science model, a model that has never been correct. You want to believe it, well I guess you do, not me and not the majority of educated people world wide, look to Australia. HS

 

[buickanddeere]

Maybe "most" was a poor choice of words. After looking around a little I admit I am surprised how many use natural bodies of water for cooling.

I have no idea why so many American units use those evaporating cooling towers for the CCW system. Instead of the body of water they are built near to. Several US Power plants along the St Clair River between Port Huron and Detroit use evaporating towers. Considering the amount of water flowing which happens to make up the bulk of Niagara Falls flow. The heat added from a thermal plant is negligible.

 

[buickanddeere]

Well it's hard to swallow the fact that there has been no warming in last 19 years, the Arctic ice has not melted, polar bear numbers have exploded, world ocean levels remain same, and there remains not "even a smidgen of evidence" (lol) man burning fossil fuels has raised or changed global temperatures. For now global warming caused by mans activities on earth remain nothing but fiction in a computer science model, a model that has never been correct. You want to believe it, well I guess you do, not me and not the majority of educated people world wide, look to Australia. HS

X2 Houstonscott.
Too many politically correct bunny huggers worship without question at the alter of global warming. Now known as climate change when warming can not be proved.

 

[Tollster]

I have no idea why so many American units use those evaporating cooling towers for the CCW system. Instead of the body of water they are built near to. Several US Power plants along the St Clair River between Port Huron and Detroit use evaporating towers. Considering the amount of water flowing which happens to make up the bulk of Niagara Falls flow. The heat added from a thermal plant is negligible.

You need to understand the engineering for the secondary cooling system, the primary cooling system is a closed loop system, which then passes through condenser units, this does draw the secondary cooling water system from the surface of water the plant is near (Primary reason for the location of the plant), the secondary water is then heated from the primary closed loop, so it must then pass through the cooling towers, which work as a venturi (Hence the shape, think velocity stack) to maintain the rising heated water vapor,( pulling cool air in at the base as hot water is sprayed via a ring header just above the base inlets, which creates the draft, velocity is increased due to the tower design, height is typically dependent on plant size) once condensed back to water, it runs back down the inside of the cooling tower and returned to the same body of water at a temperature that will not damage the environment.

There is always a primary and secondary side to the cooling system, the primary side is a closed loop system as the water needs to be free of various minerals and contaminates for operational requirements. No one wants 10 pounds of river silt in a primary control valve..

 

[Loren49]

Well it's hard to swallow the fact that there has been no warming in last 19 years, the Arctic ice has not melted, polar bear numbers have exploded, world ocean levels remain same, and there remains not "even a smidgen of evidence" (lol) man burning fossil fuels has raised or changed global temperatures. For now global warming caused by mans activities on earth remain nothing but fiction in a computer science model, a model that has never been correct. You want to believe it, well I guess you do, not me and not the majority of educated people world wide, look to Australia. HS

Eight Pseudoscientific Climate Claims Debunked by Real Scientists | Connecting the Dots | BillMoyers.com

Read #1. You make up things! Repeating does not give it validity.

Loren

 

[Loren49]

Here you can find the science to refute 176 of your myths.
Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics and what the science really says

Loren

 

[dave1949]

This what scientists do: they continue to learn from real evidence.

The knowledge of greenhouse gases is complete enough to understand that the heating will continue for two reasons: the output of greenhouse gases such as CO2 continues to increase, and it takes many years for some of them to dissipate from the atmosphere. It makes sense to go looking for that heat if it isn't occurring where it has in the past. In this case, the heat is being moved to deep Atlantic ocean waters as part of a natural cycle.

So in fact, when someone says global warming has stopped because surface temperatures have stabilized, they are very wrong. If you aren't curious about what happens when that natural ocean cycle reverses itself as it has in the past, then ...


Cause of global warming hiatus found deep in the Atlantic Ocean | UW Today

 

[houstonscott]

This what scientists do: they continue to learn from real evidence. The knowledge of greenhouse gases is complete enough to understand that the heating will continue for two reasons: the output of greenhouse gases such as CO2 continues to increase, and it takes many years for some of them to dissipate from the atmosphere. It makes sense to go looking for that heat if it isn't occurring where it has in the past. In this case, the heat is being moved to deep Atlantic ocean waters as part of a natural cycle. So in fact, when someone says global warming has stopped because surface temperatures have stabilized, they are very wrong. If you aren't curious about what happens when that natural ocean cycle reverses itself as it has in the past, then ... Cause of global warming hiatus found deep in the Atlantic Ocean | UW Today

Well if you really want to honest the only thing the earth can do sitting in vacuum is cool. When this whole thing started a NASA scientist told me there is only four things controlling the earth temps. Earth closer to sun earth warmer, Earth further away from sun earth cooler, Sun hotter earth hotter, Sun cooler earth cooler There isn't anything else except crap. Study those sciences and you will understand global climate change, the graphs have been the same for 6 billion years. Atmospheric gas studies as earth temperature controlling and used as a predictor of the future is pure snake oil. HS