Late last night

[ovrszd]

Quick poll.... how many TBN members own guns, a ski mask and duct tape? :laughing:

I do.

 

[murphy1244]

I do.

Ditto and the mask is a Carhart.

 

[ovrszd]

Only in a situation where a DEADLY weapon is present in the hands of someone who INTENDS to use it, IMMEDIATELY, against ME is a deadly force response necessary because I am in fear of my life.

One cannot know what they would do until presented with the actual situation and have it play out.

I agree with all you've said. The statement above should give you pause. By the time you've assessed this, it's all over, if the assailant is truly serious in their intent.

So you are left with a choice. Act quicker and risk an error in the true intent. Or act later, likely after shots have been fired, in your direction.

Tough call. Any time I've been shot at I've always assumed the shooter was an expert marksman. So my firing in response is a bit late if the former is true.

Tough call and one that's made daily by those that guard our safety.

 

[texasjohn]

Tough call and one that's made daily by those that guard our safety.

Yep, and it's playing out, sadly, even now in NYC where police officers were shot and 15 threats have been made via ,social media .

In my case, carrying concealed, surprise is the only advantage I might have. Whenever I practice, I always start from the position of my pistol holstered in my pocket. I decide to shoot, pull, acquire target and commence firing as soon as I believe I have a sight picture which would serve to stop the threat. I also evaluate each shot immediately and often go 3 or 4 rounds in one burst. This leaves me 4 shots remaining. I've had a long talk with myself...a pistol isn't like a rifle where I regularly make careful, timed one shot kills. Even a carefully aimed pistol shot cannot be as precise as a rifle. So, I consider that a reasonably aimed shot which hits center of mass is just dandy when practicing.

Of course, these things happen in a space of 5 seconds or less...observations, conclusions, decisions, actions for two or more actors...which can and will all be calmly or heatedly second guessed and discussed by LEO's, jury, courts, public who were not there.....for hours. And, even if the event were to be on camera, different individuals would interpret the same event differently, some seeing deadly threat, some not.

Tough call, deadly force threat/use is never a simple matter. Nothing more serious.

 

[tnjind]

There are a few mentions of having a permit to carry concealed weapons. Wyoming no longer requires them. I was pretty concerned when the legislature removed the requirement. My worry was that it opened the door for more people packing with no training and more opportunities for gun related incidents. To date, my worries have been unfounded. To tie this in with the original post, for the majority of people packing, doesn't automatically mean that they will draw a weapon when an unusual event happens as in the " freeze" prank the young man pulled in the store.

That is encouraging info. Maybe the majority of people have some sense, maybe.
I am glad you posted this, thanks.

 

[dave1949]

That is encouraging info. Maybe the majority of people have some sense, maybe.
I am glad you posted this, thanks.

Do you think that Wyoming's population of 563,626 (as of 2012) largely rural folks translates well all over the country in terms of exposure to guns and home training for gun safety? I don't think so. Beginning with Milwaukee, WI, there are 31 US cities with more population than the entire State of Wyoming--and they lead vastly different lives.

I think there are many first-time gun owners who really need that training to be safe themselves, for the rest of us to be safe, and for them to be somewhat proficient.

 

[Mace Canute]

So tell us...what do robbers say instead of "Freeze"....something like: "This is a stickup" or "Hand over the money and nobody gets hurt" or some other witty choice of words....???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0SwYK0vco

 

[Looking4new]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0SwYK0vco

Polite fellow. Even said 'please'.

 

[Citydude]

Do you think that Wyoming's population of 563,626 (as of 2012) largely rural folks translates well all over the country in terms of exposure to guns and home training for gun safety? I don't think so. Beginning with Milwaukee, WI, there are 31 US cities with more population than the entire State of Wyoming--and they lead vastly different lives. I think there are many first-time gun owners who really need that training to be safe themselves, for the rest of us to be safe, and for them to be somewhat proficient.

Well, umm, were not all rural here in Wyoming Dave. For instance, I live in a community of around 30,000 people. Of those 30,000, the majority work in mining, oil & gas and uranium as well as two large power plants or services that support these enterprises. 95% or more of those people came from out of state from around the nation so I guess you could call the community a melting pot. With that, we live much like others in large cities. We even have a Walmart . So, just using this community as a sampling of having the permits to carry a weapon laws repealed, I'd say I was pleasantly surprised there wasn't an increase of incidents related to the use of guns. Crime is alive and well here as well. Given that, gun related crime has not increased. Knock on wood.....BTW, I'm a Wyoming native, grew up in a rural community so I can understand how you view Wyoming in general. Thanks for the complement!

 

[dave1949]

Well, umm, were not all rural here in Wyoming Dave. For instance, I live in a community of around 30,000 people. Of those 30,000, the majority work in mining, oil & gas and uranium as well as two large power plants or services that support these enterprises. 95% or more of those people came from out of state from around the nation so I guess you could call the community a melting pot. With that, we live much like others in large cities. We even have a Walmart . So, just using this community as a sampling of having the permits to carry a weapon laws repealed, I'd say I was pleasantly surprised there wasn't an increase of incidents related to the use of guns. Crime is alive and well here as well. Given that, gun related crime has not increased. Knock on wood.....BTW, I'm a Wyoming native, grew up in a rural community so I can understand how you view Wyoming in general. Thanks for the complement!

:laughing: I sure don't mean to say there is nothing in Wyoming.

I'm making a general comparison to even your 30K town with a Walmart! to somewhere like the Boston metro area where the only place--for many miles in all directions--you could shoot a gun without hitting something or somebody is at a range. Many more people are born and spend their entire lives in such areas than live in rural areas. They just don't have the experience of going out in the backyard and plinking from an early age.