NX4510 HSTC Pricing

[holeycow]

There seems to be one clear advantage that an hst has over a gear; the ability to change ground speed without affecting pto speed. That is a nice touch! It is something I wish I could do at times. Given a torquey engine I can't see any other advantages, based on this discussion. Except in the case of physical limitations of the operator (bad knees or such).

Taking into account that I am never in a race, as that always causes more problems than it is worth when it comes to equipment......

 

[DK35vince]

Yeah, I would think a shuttle HST would take a lot of the HST benefits from that tractor, especially as the darn thing probably sticks like the range shifter. That would be really irritating.

Why would the shuttle lever stick like the range shifter.
The shuttle levers flip very quick and easy, you can use you finger tips to flip the levers.
I have run a DK 35 Hst with the twin peddles multiple times.
I can flip my shuttle lever for forward'/reversing on my shuttle DK 35 just as fast as I could move my foot from one peddle to the next to the forward/reverse peddles on the HST model.
I have 8 forward and 8 reverse speeds.
Whatever gear I am using in forward, I will be it that same gear and speed in reverse.

 

[TSO]

There seems to be one clear advantage that an hst has over a gear; the ability to change ground speed without affecting pto speed. That is a nice touch! It is something I wish I could do at times. Given a torquey engine I can't see any other advantages, based on this discussion. Except in the case of physical limitations of the operator (bad knees or such).

Taking into account that I am never in a race, as that always causes more problems than it is worth when it comes to equipment......

Some of us that have size limitations because of various reasons (for me, I do landscaping with my tractor and much bigger wouldn't fit where I'd need it)... So that's one factor. And again, for those of us that mainly do precision work, HST is the clear winner.

Just because YOU don't like HST, doesn't mean that everyone else should follow suit.

Personally, I could have probably gone a half size bigger, but then I'd lose HST as an option, and I would be FAR less efficient & productive. For me, and other people that work commercially with their machine, time is money. For you, it apparently isn't ... And I'm happy for you. But again, just because you can't see the benefits of HST, doesn't mean you should condemn it. There's a reason why the vast majority of CUT'S are HST.

 

[DK35vince]

Just because YOU don't like HST, doesn't mean that everyone else should follow suit.

Really !! That does go both ways.

 

[TSO]

That does go both ways.
You should maybe listen to your own advice.

I do... I point out facts. I've pointed out where HST is better, and where shuttle is better. I haven't condemned shuttle. I haven't questioned why people buy a CUT instead of a larger tractor.

Just because a person doesn't like HST and says they would rather buy Larger shuttle tractor, doesn't mean they are right for everyone else. That's all...

 

[holeycow]

Ya.

Btw, I think a livestock operation qualifies as commercial. If I was landscaping and such I would own a skidsteer......

And I never said I didn't like hst, as I know not much about it. I was trying to get a clear idea as to its advantages or not. After all this discussion/argument I came to the conclusion that it has only one. Or maybe two......along with some disadvantages. Of course.

I have seen a lot of "get an hst!" on here and I simply wondered why ( when apparently you pay a lot for it ).

The answer I see is "faster"; "easier". Well maybe so in certain applications. Probably not so much if you can drive...... and not at all in most day to day operations for many.

I also see a lot of "upgrading" which is in a lot of cases people buying too small of a machine to start with and having to buy something bigger because they thought they needed to spend the money on hst. I also see people expecting one machine to be able to do all things: but maybe they should buy a lawnmower to mow the lawn and a real tractor to do tractor work. And compromise on the one that is of least importance. In my world that is the lawnmower.....

Oh, and another btw, I think for me I would do just as well without shuttle, as my tractors with reverse on the gearshift seem at least as easy to transition forward to reverse as my one shuttle. I would give up the shuttle instantly to have the ability to shift ranges on the fly like I can with one tractor ( which also has "agricultural" gearing where ratios in different ranges slip between others in adjacent ranges ).

 

[TSO]

Ya.

Btw, I think a livestock operation qualifies as commercial. If I was landscaping and such I would own a skidsteer......

By the way, a livestock operation is considered a farming operation more than a commercial operation. Vastly different from landscaping, and vastly different than most CUT users tasks. I've said many times that for farming use, a shuttle is typically better than HST ... But I've also pointed out, like so many others have, that the vast majority of CUT buyers aren't farming with their CUT.

And, maybe you aren't a landscaper ... And your skid steer comment lacks absolute relevancy because of it ... But, I am. And while I'd like to compliment my outfit with a tracked skid steer, if I could only choose one machine, it would be a CUT. Many landscapers I speak with agree. But that's an entirely different discussion.

If there's a thread about which tractor is better for farm use, shuttle or HST ... Even though you haven't had experience with HST, at least your comments would offer more relevancy.

I'm just trying to help new purchasers make informed decisions. You telling people that they should spend their money on a bigger machine just because it's bigger isn't necessarily helpful... That's all.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Ya.

Btw, I think a livestock operation qualifies as commercial. If I was landscaping and such I would own a skidsteer......

Depends on how you claim it on your taxes. Are your livestock pasture pets?

 

[holeycow]

No. Nor are my tractors.

 

[holeycow]

So am I. And many here saying to buy hst because it's easier and faster when the "faster" part is, in most cases moot and the easier part is mostly an operator skills thing is also counterproductive to many who have no idea.