F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost

[94BULLITT]

Have not. Was looking to take advantage of the big rebates on the 2014. Will give it a look. Little leery buying used without knowing history.

You can search for new vehicles on cars.com. I have found vehicles that way. Search for a new, 2014, f-150, silver, crew cab, 4x4, and that should help narrow it down. Find a truck that look like it has what you want the copy and paste (you will need to delete everything after the = before pasting) the VIN here to look at the window sticker.

http://www.inventory.ford.com/services/inventory/WindowSticker.pdf?vin=1FT8W3DT6DEA55309

 

[RollingsFarms]

My thing is if the out of town dealer thinks he will have no problem selling it, then why hasn't he? It's almost March and he's still sitting on it. The Ford dealers around here have lots of leftover 14's that they would do anything to put someone in. They don't have max tow that I'm aware of though, not sure I've ever seen either ford dealer stock those for whatever reason. They'll gladly give you $10,000 off and that's without really having to sharpen their pencil to make the deal happen. I bet you could get them to come off to $14000 off.

 

[deere5105]

All good points and didn't know could copy VIN and view window sticker. Will do little more research. I am able to buy under the "X" plan which is supposed to put the price at $400 over invoice without any negotiating. Thanks again for all the suggestions and feedback.

 

[RollingsFarms]

Is there any way you can wait til the end of the year and buy a heavily discounted 2015? I'm hearing the changes they made to the 5.0 are awesome and the new truck is in another universe compared to the 14's. Just something to think about. I honestly think Ford will start wanting to move these 15's here pretty soon.

 

[94BULLITT]

All good points and didn't know could copy VIN and view window sticker. Will do little more research. I am able to buy under the "X" plan which is supposed to put the price at $400 over invoice without any negotiating. Thanks again for all the suggestions and feedback.

I think most large dealers list the vehicle below invoice. I know a guy that can get some kind of special pricing on GM's. His daughter was going to buy a Cruze. They went to the local dealer and his special pricing was more than what they sold for normally.

 

[TomSeller]

I'm hearing the changes they made to the 5.0 are awesome .

Had not heard of any changes to the 5.0. What were they?

 

[94BULLITT]

Had not heard of any changes to the 5.0. What were they?

New intake manifold and cast iron version of the Mustang headers.

 

[deere5105]

Is there any way you can wait til the end of the year and buy a heavily discounted 2015? I'm hearing the changes they made to the 5.0 are awesome and the new truck is in another universe compared to the 14's. Just something to think about. I honestly think Ford will start wanting to move these 15's here pretty soon.

Wasn't really looking to buy, but got to thinking that the body changes to aluminum may be something that needs a few years of real world testing, the insurance pricing could be higher(I haven't checked), discounts/rebates are good right now on 2014, Ecoboost has had a few years of testing and overall seems to be having the one issue with the moisture in inter cooler. I guess the thing that has motivated me is that the 2014 felt like a tested platform versus the 2015 being more "experimental". I know Ford has tested prior to release, but considering I would like to keep vehicle 10 years makes me feel more comfortable with something that has been out awhile. One of the salesman I had spoken to even explained that some had preferred the XLT with leather over the Lariat due to not having to take all of the extra electronics and bells and whistles which may be something extra to repair down the road.

 

[deere5105]

New intake manifold and cast iron version of the Mustang headers.

I had heard there were some changes and even an increase in tow rating. Not sure if that was more due to the 700 lbs reduction in truck weight or a performance increase. I was impressed with the current 5.0 acceleration during test drive. Thing that points back to Ecoboost is ALL state it out performs the 5.0 in towing hands down and then that the 5.0 is equal in other areas. That gives me the feeling that if the Ecoboost is the mark that the 5.0 is being measured by....just go with the Ecoboost.

 

[sld]

If you are a long term keeper the 5.0 would be my choice. With the fairly long corrosion warranty the alum body would be too.

The ecoboost may have more power but from everything I have read the 5.0 is MORE than adequate and gets comparable mileage.

 

[jejeosborne]

All good points and didn't know could copy VIN and view window sticker. Will do little more research. I am able to buy under the "X" plan which is supposed to put the price at $400 over invoice without any negotiating. Thanks again for all the suggestions and feedback.

$400 OVER invoice? I would skip that choice. I ordered my truck and paid $750 UNDER invoice and kept all the rebates. I have never bought a new vehicle for anything over invoice.

 

[TheGoose]

So let me get this straight....the dealer actually LOST money on a truck you bought from them? Say they paid $25,000 for the truck and you gave them $24,250?

I have never understood why people have to think they paid "x amount above or below invoice". Invoice is just a suckers number that doesn't embody what a dealer actually pays for a vehicle. Most dealers pay a floor plan price, which basically means they rent the vehicles. Every month they sit they have to pay a little more rent, which is why you can sometimes find great deals.

$400 OVER invoice? I would skip that choice. I ordered my truck and paid $750 UNDER invoice and kept all the rebates. I have never bought a new vehicle for anything over invoice.

 

[tcartwri]

Invoice is just a suckers number that doesn't embody what a dealer actually pays for a vehicle.

Yup.

Zero % financing is another.

 

[check]

Yup.

Zero % financing is another.

Yup. Just say "How much is the truck if I don't take the 0% financing?" and you will see what the real figure is.

 

[check]

Invoice is just a suckers number that doesn't embody what a dealer actually pays for a vehicle.

I agree. I ignore it. A better idea is to simply read all the ads in the local rags (aka newspapers), and see who offers the best advertised deal, and then work downwards from there. For the 2015's and the leftover 2014's I'll bet the action will start very soon (usually in March or maybe early April), and you can have great fun making them squirm when you bring in an Ad from another dealer! I did this for all of my 4 F150's so far, and it works like a charm. Let's hear it for the Toronto Sun - F150 pickup truck advertisement heaven!:cool2:

 

[jejeosborne]

So let me get this straight....the dealer actually LOST money on a truck you bought from them? Say they paid $25,000 for the truck and you gave them $24,250?

I have never understood why people have to think they paid "x amount above or below invoice". Invoice is just a suckers number that doesn't embody what a dealer actually pays for a vehicle. Most dealers pay a floor plan price, which basically means they rent the vehicles. Every month they sit they have to pay a little more rent, which is why you can sometimes find great deals.

I disagree. If you want to work down from MSRP then go for it. If you think the dealer looses money by selling at the published invoice cost then you don't know the business. I was responding to a post where the gentleman was quoted a price OVER invoice and pointed out that it wasn't a good deal.

Do you believe I was suckered for paying $750 under invoice and kept $6500 in rebates? Did you notice I said that I ordered my truck and didn't buy dealer stock?

 

[jejeosborne]

I agree. I ignore it. A better idea is to simply read all the ads in the local rags (aka newspapers), and see who offers the best advertised deal, and then work downwards from there. For the 2015's and the leftover 2014's I'll bet the action will start very soon (usually in March or maybe early April), and you can have great fun making them squirm when you bring in an Ad from another dealer! I did this for all of my 4 F150's so far, and it works like a charm. Let's hear it for the Toronto Sun - F150 pickup truck advertisement heaven!:cool2:

I have never seen an ad telling me what a truck I plan on ordering is going to cost me.

All the advertisements I have ever seen are for a specific stock vehicle and it even shows the stock number. How does the second dealer match a price on a vehicle equiped differently? Everybody has their methods that work for them and make them feel like they pulled one off. I know I get great deals.

You have two choices to compare apples to apples, between dealers, invoice or MSRP.

 

[jejeosborne]

Yup.

Zero % financing is another.

I took out financing on my last truck just to get an additional rebate. Paid it off after the 60 day minimum period. I have a separate savings account for vehicle purchases and don't buy until I have the cash. I buy a brand new vehicle every 5 years.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I took out financing on my last truck just to get an additional rebate. Paid it off after the 60 day minimum period. I have a separate savings account for vehicle purchases and don't buy until I have the cash. I buy a brand new vehicle every 5 years.

You do as I do. I pay myself $400 per month per vehicle into a "CAR" account. That's $5000 a year per vehicle. That plus my trade or selling my trade always puts me in a position to buy with cash.

Chris

 

[timswi]

Yup. Just say "How much is the truck if I don't take the 0% financing?" and you will see what the real figure is.

That's true for the actual price. In most cases, if you don't use the dealer's financing, they lose the dealer reserve and other back-end monies which the buyer will pay in an increased purchase price. I finance at the dealer then go home and pay it of or whatever. The reserves and other backends the dealer gets are not insignificant. Some of it is just a piece of your interest expense that you would have generally paid anyway.

I've seen deals finalized and then rescinded at the closing due to the purchaser changing his mind and bringing his own money...The purchase price went up, sometimes substantially.