3-Point Hitch No lift in 3-point hitch

   / No lift in 3-point hitch #11  
Really sounds like either the dealership is total crap... or your tractor is. You've told them (and they should know) about the drop control knob under the seat...

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Love to hear how this ultimately shakes out... also, what was replaced. Hang in there...
 
   / No lift in 3-point hitch #12  
Love to hear how this ultimately shakes out... also, what was replaced. Hang in there...

Sounds like a lot of good parts have been replaced so far, all on his dime. That would be my beef.
 
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#13  
Hi Teg. Just got done writing 3 of the employees at the Kubota dealership a small email (service manager and 2 assistant managers). I tried to be nice.

Not sure how it will help, but it takes a lot more time for me to take care of my stock, so now that I feel like I did SOMEthing, maybe I won't be so angry about the whole thing while I'm feeding/freezing. I'm slogging, now through 3 to 4 inches of snow ON TOP OF frozen black clay with wheelbarrows, now. Not able (STILL) to carry bales to my cattle, and not able to water my stock in big pails like I used to (pipes frozen). Stalls are all flooded with the melting snow now, so can't fix the drainage issues or take the poop to the pile and clean my barn properly.

I just figured they ought to know that since I can't get my outside work done, I'll have time to write some reviews, like to Consumer Affairs. (Boy, those people really had Kubota problems! Mine will just be another needle in a bowl of needles.)

Next week, it will be a month? I can't believe it. Well, I've stayed in as long as I could... Time to go feed the zoo...
 
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#14  
Hi Guys,

UPDATE... Today is the 28th day of the tractor being in the shop. One month. I finally wrote them an email because I'm tired of being cold and wet, and not able to feed my cattle.

Here is what I got back...

"... I discussed this repair with Robert S, our service manager this morning. Part of the delay was Mrs. xxx’s desire to have the rockshaft cylinder (3 point hydraulic cylinder) bore machined in a machine shop of her choosing as opposed to having us order a new one to replace it. We had the machine disassembled on 2-2-15. She picked up the part on 2-3-15 and returned it on 2-9-15 so we did have a week that we were not able to make progress on the unit. The hydraulic repairs are now completed but we are waiting on a shifter return spring to arrive. This spring was not initially requested to be replaced when the tractor was brought in for the hydraulic repair. It was found later, during the repair and authorized for replacement. The spring should be here within the next few days but all of our parts shipments have been delayed over the past week due to weather. We apologize for the delays and realize that with the nasty weather, your tractor is more critical to you than in nicer weather. We are striving to get it back as soon as possible... "

Actually, while I can't remember exactly how many days we had the bore (I think it was more like 3), they wanted to order and replace the whole unit, which costed about $3k or so.

The thing is... I haven't had a steady paycheck since 2006, when we moved to this farm, so as with most "working farms", most of the money I make is money that I DON'T SPEND. I was advised against further contact, other than to pay to get my (hopefully working) tractor back. While I am obviously at the mercy of the "Gods" (especially when we get the bill - getting dizzy just thinking about that), and I feel like an idiot, there is a part of me that feels like I am being penalized for trying to save some money.

I should have done better research. Kubotas are good machines, but God help you if something "big" happens. Even though I enjoy doing my own work, I need to look for better dealer service record and a domestic brand that can be fixed at more than one outfit... Plus, there are a few features I've seen on other tractors that look pretty cool, and the tractors are more reasonable/simpler to work on, too...

Say TEG, that exploded diagram of the hydraulic front cover was VERY informative! I didn't see the parts mentioned by that Kubota in his aforementioned/quoted email text in it, so I must admit. I'm a little lost. I'll go look in my shop manual and see if I can fill in some of the holes.

My cows are polishing off another bale of hay and I don't know what I'm going to do. At least the horses are a little easier...

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Thanks again for your help!
 
   / No lift in 3-point hitch #15  
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This is NOT what you need but I could NOT find a darn thing showing the actual 3 point hitch piston. Nad... This is what I have listed as the hydraulic feedback spool. I got stuff covering every other little detail but nothing of the piston!?!?

So your 3ph got scored (gouged) and had to be re-bored? Any guess on what caused that? (trying to figure out for others who may read this...) You might have to do a KickStarter to get your tractor back (sorry, trying some humor when I know it's not funny).

We had some horses and had to deal with the black gumbo over east of Dallas... Parents had a place south of Rockwall, Tx. NOT fun...

Edit: just to add a PS. To address the "domestic brand" comment... there are none in this size category and kubota has been pretty good. Wonder how much the jerky 3ph might have played into this problem??? :stirthepot:
 
   / No lift in 3-point hitch #16  
I couldn't copy the picture, but it is drawing H32000-lift arms under the "Hydraulics" heading in the parts look-up on the Kubota site.
 
   / No lift in 3-point hitch #17  
When you finally get the tractor back and the itemized bill, I am curious to know just what all they have done. And how many parts they may or may not have replaced that were not needed due to their failure of diagnosing the problem correctly.
 
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#18  
View attachment 414687
This is NOT what you need but I could NOT find a darn thing showing the actual 3 point hitch piston. Nad... This is what I have listed as the hydraulic feedback spool. I got stuff covering every other little detail but nothing of the piston!?!?

So your 3ph got scored (gouged) and had to be re-bored? Any guess on what caused that? (trying to figure out for others who may read this...) You might have to do a KickStarter to get your tractor back (sorry, trying some humor when I know it's not funny).

We had some horses and had to deal with the black gumbo over east of Dallas... Parents had a place south of Rockwall, Tx. NOT fun...

Edit: just to add a PS. To address the "domestic brand" comment... there are none in this size category and kubota has been pretty good. Wonder how much the jerky 3ph might have played into this problem??? :stirthepot:

Actually... I DO have a good idea about the piston scratches... See, the guy I got to hone the bore is an mechanical engineer buddy of mine (who was also curious because initially he didn't think it needed to be re-honed; he had seen worse in his Bobcat and he said the scratches weren't in his opinion, bad enough to seep enough fluid to keep the 3ph from picking up what I needed - they were only on the bottom end). But then, he reminds me, these guys only cleaned out the EASY poppit, found a small piece of wood, took a picture of it, and quit working on the tractor altogether, right then (called us to pick it up a little over a week before).

So he puts the thing in his computerized lathe and while it's working, we use that first picture you put and another one (I forget which) to figure out WHAT happened. It seems like of all the implements I run, the movements and forces of the Edwards GTO60 tiller and the bush hog (bought most of my implements used from ONE guy who was getting out of his tractor-for-hire business, so these are a lot sturdier than the normal implements I see at, say, Tractor Supply) are capable of causing the scratches.

We can't figure out exactly how the debris would get where the piston is, but somehow (based on the way the dirt flies with the tiller and all the bouncing around (because I am STILL, after 8 years, cutting the black gumbo clay with manure/bedding), AND the location of the scratches on the piston, the tiller seems to be the main culprit. We ARE kind of surprised we don't see this problem in the discussion boards... or... maybe it's a problem everybody who uses a tiller has, but don't know about because it doesn't affect them... I don't know. I know of LOTS of people with different tractors, with tillers, and they don't have this problem. You've got me... I've looked even on OrangeTalks, but, well, there is not as much information or help.

They are kind of more like (please... no offense) hobby farmers. They've got jobs, or day trade and make enough money to toss at problems and not worry about them. I do most of my own vet work (horses, cattle, chickens, dogs, and cats). I sell my vegetables after I feed the family... The Kubota was a HUGE purchase...

Sorry... Just saying... I'm really sore from pulling the wheelbarrow around, and I can't sit anymore. Gotta go. Need to feed the zoo anyway. Thanks for getting back to me! Appreciate it! I hope what I was able to tell you about the piston scratches helps somebody...
 
   / No lift in 3-point hitch #19  
There's more hobby farmers (or wantabe farmers) on TBN then real ones... present company included.

Early models like mine will destroy the early PTO cams by using a tiller (mine is skipping somewhat now and will need to be replace someday) there are 3 other people that broke their PTO cams but all the parts were before the filter and no other damage was done. Even if you had the hydraulic fill cap off and dirt went in there, that is all before the filter and pump.

Your pump would be damaged first so I'm guessing whatever damaged the piston was after the pump, internally. That would be something to figure out...

How heavy are your round bales? Any Idea? I was one of the few that got the jerky 3 point hitch replaced with a nice smooth one since I was (at the time) picking up heavy object at the end of a 6' boom. It puts great pressure on the system, wondering if something in your L3400 might have broke.

This is the first I've heard of something like this on these models... you shouldn't be so rough on your tractor (just kidding).
 
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#20  
Hi teg... Took me a few days to get back to you. I managed to get the picture for geneP of the lift arms. I'll upload this for now...

I got the tractor back yesterday. It still does not lift the bale. I have some more research to do and I want to gather my info so maybe you can help me understand...I am still trying to formulate what my foster mom would call "appropriate, well-formed sentences"...

...View attachment kpadweb.kubota.co.jp_kpad2_PartsInfoPdf H32000 lift arm.pdfH32000 Lift Arm.jpg

I hope these attached Ok... One is PDF and has the part list to go with the picture.
 

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