Do we "baby" our tractors too much?

   / Do we "baby" our tractors too much? #1  

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I have been contiplating this question since I have been trying to sell my 2 kubota b series tractors. Here is my story.

I initially bought my b7800 and b3200 and planed to keep them for well over 15 years. I used them both commercially and thus put some hours on them. But, I took exceptional care of them in the form of full maintenance by the book with only kubota products, tractors were shed kept everynight and never seen road salt. They were washed and waxed yearly. Full walk around and fluid check everyday, greased everytime on time. No scratches, dents, or dings. I mean I did "work" them, but I did not abuse them.

Both tractors looked near show room condition if I would have taken the time to "detail" them. My point is, I would have loved to come across a used tractor like these if I was in the market. You would be getting a new looking tractor for a lot less then a new ones cost and it would have been maintained to last for years to come.

B 7800 buy cost $16k new. 1700hours. Replacement b3350 new cost $21k. (Equal options) I wanted $12k for it and it sold hard for $10k.

B 3200 buy cost $18k new. 700 hours. Replacement b3350 new cost $20k. I would like $13k for b3200 and I cant sell it.

Seems like people would jump on a non regen emmision tractor that looks new for $7k less then new. 700hours on these tractors is nothing from what I have seen kubotas go through. (I have been around a lot of high hour kubotas).

Now to my main point. I watched my neighbor sell his b7800, exact same set up, sell quick and for $14k, but it had only 322 hours, BUT it was hardly maintained, sat outside, rusted, dented, and such. I have also seen others sell quicker and easi ie r that just sat outside and they weren't maintained very good as I have talked with those owners.

All that extra work and time and money spent keeping my tractors in great shape, and from what I have experienced, it was a waste. I bet I would have been better off "just running the pi $$" out of them, leave them outside, dont change the oil as often, just advertise them for a couple thousand less, and i wouldnt still have the burden of still trying to sell them for what worth they are as how they were maintained.

I am selling both b tractors only because I needed a larger one, and guess what, that one was delerved in the road salt and I ain't washed it yet!

Now I am not saying anyone who likes a nice shiny tractor is wrong, but for me I am beginning to feel that anything more then just changing oils and greasing is overkill.

What do you think? Have I gone crazy?
 
   / Do we "baby" our tractors too much? #2  
Take care of your stuff and it will take care of you. For that reason it's worth it. However, when it comes time to sell, my experience has been that machines sell at market price for the years and the hours. If it looks good and seems like it was kept indoors and maintained, it will move faster than if it doesn't, but won't necessarily command more than a few hundred bucks extra. I may have missed it, but you didn't mention what your selling with these tractors (loader etc.). If it's just the bare bones tractors, the price you want to get for them is way above the market.
 
   / Do we "baby" our tractors too much? #3  
If you ran those hours, and let the looks go down hill, Your asking price would appear ridiculous to many buyers.

The insides can't be seen, in spite of your service records. Some people only look to the most basic descriptions.

It would seem that the care you have taken would show to prospective buyers. I know it would to me.
 
   / Do we "baby" our tractors too much?
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#4  
Take care of your stuff and it will take care of you. For that reason it's worth it. However, when it comes time to sell, my experience has been that machines sell at market price for the years and the hours. If it looks good and seems like it was kept indoors and maintained, it will move faster than if it doesn't, but won't necessarily command more than a few hundred bucks extra. I may have missed it, but you didn't mention what your selling with these tractors (loader etc.). If it's just the bare bones tractors, the price you want to get for them is way above the market.

Sorry, sometimes I get lazy typing alot.

b7800 year 2007, la402 front loader, 1000lb capacity clamp on forks, rear work light (kubota), r4 tires loaded, many extra oil, fuel, hyd filters. Everything worked perfectly.

b3200 year 2012, 60" mid mount mower, full set front weights, turf tires loaded, rear work light, hyd valve (no loader) everything works and looks perfectly. Also included if want, land pride 5 ft bushhog great shape.

Maybe my expectations are high, but still, seems like I would atleast get calls trying to dicker my price down. Dont know if its the hours scaring people away or if everyone just wants cheep.

Either way, my point of "I wasted my time maintaining these tractors SO pristine" still stays firm in my thoughts.
 
   / Do we "baby" our tractors too much?
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If you ran those hours, and let the looks go down hill, Your asking price would appear ridiculous to many buyers.

But my point is I wouldnt ask as much for them if I didnt spend all that time and resources into them. I would have rather spent more time doing other things that were worth more to me if i knew it would be this hard to sell them for what i feel all that time i put into keeping them looking great.
 
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Well, You can twist the situation into a brighter light.

How much did you depreciate those tractors in your business taxes?
You can look at that as a "discount" to the next buyer.

You will declare the income on the sale...right ;-)
 
   / Do we "baby" our tractors too much? #7  
I keep my tractor in the garage. I change the engine oil every 250 hours. I have never changed any other oil. I grease it when I remember or it squeaks. I hardly ever wash it, tractors are made to get dirty. I have never waxed it. I use my tractors in the woods and they have a few minor dents.
 
   / Do we "baby" our tractors too much? #9  
I do,last thing I want to do hand over $$'s for dumb reason,for I enough dumb things already.
 
   / Do we "baby" our tractors too much? #10  
I have been contiplating this question since I have been trying to sell my 2 kubota b series tractors. Here is my story.

I initially bought my b7800 and b3200 and planed to keep them for well over 15 years. I used them both commercially and thus put some hours on them. But, I took exceptional care of them in the form of full maintenance by the book with only kubota products, tractors were shed kept everynight and never seen road salt. They were washed and waxed yearly. Full walk around and fluid check everyday, greased everytime on time. No scratches, dents, or dings. I mean I did "work" them, but I did not abuse them.

Both tractors looked near show room condition if I would have taken the time to "detail" them. My point is, I would have loved to come across a used tractor like these if I was in the market. You would be getting a new looking tractor for a lot less then a new ones cost and it would have been maintained to last for years to come.

B 7800 buy cost $16k new. 1700hours. Replacement b3350 new cost $21k. (Equal options) I wanted $12k for it and it sold hard for $10k.

B 3200 buy cost $18k new. 700 hours. Replacement b3350 new cost $20k. I would like $13k for b3200 and I cant sell it.

Seems like people would jump on a non regen emmision tractor that looks new for $7k less then new. 700hours on these tractors is nothing from what I have seen kubotas go through. (I have been around a lot of high hour kubotas).

Now to my main point. I watched my neighbor sell his b7800, exact same set up, sell quick and for $14k, but it had only 322 hours, BUT it was hardly maintained, sat outside, rusted, dented, and such. I have also seen others sell quicker and easi ie r that just sat outside and they weren't maintained very good as I have talked with those owners.

All that extra work and time and money spent keeping my tractors in great shape, and from what I have experienced, it was a waste. I bet I would have been better off "just running the pi $$" out of them, leave them outside, dont change the oil as often, just advertise them for a couple thousand less, and i wouldnt still have the burden of still trying to sell them for what worth they are as how they were maintained.

I am selling both b tractors only because I needed a larger one, and guess what, that one was delerved in the road salt and I ain't washed it yet!

Now I am not saying anyone who likes a nice shiny tractor is wrong, but for me I am beginning to feel that anything more then just changing oils and greasing is overkill.

What do you think? Have I gone crazy?
IMHO most folks buy new tractors for the warranty and 0% interest rates.Just 2 reasons they don,t buy used.I am also like you wash,wax,oil changes and keep it greased.Nothing wrong with any of that.
 
   / Do we "baby" our tractors too much? #11  
I guess I'll be one to disagree. I don't like paying a "pretty" premium. I look for functional and used looking, even down right ugly. The sheet metal, paint, etc aren't functional parts. Also when I look anything used, expecially well used, I want more than a 25% discount from new. It's great that you took such good care of them, but Kubota fluids used 500 hours ago doesn't add value today.
 
   / Do we "baby" our tractors too much? #12  
I'm sorta in the middle. I very rarely washed, and NEVER waxed my JD750.

I was absolutely religious about fluid and filter changes and greasing, and I kept after dings and paint issues. If you use a tractor hard (and I did...) minor dings happen. As long as the paint wasn't penetrated I left it. If bare metal was showing it got bumped out and sanded, primed and painted.

I don't have the time or inclination to detail my car and truck to the toothbrush and q-tip level, much less my tractor.

As to the "pretty premium" mentioned above, it actually makes me suspicious. If the tractor (or whatever) is spotless and waxed to a high sheen I immediately wonder what mechanical issues the owner is trying to distract me from. An awful lot of things have been sold with bright paint and sawdust in the transmission...
 
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I would have been willing to buy a nicely maintained good looking used tractor when I got my 3005, but the financing for used wasn't even an option, new was. And the price diffrence wasn't far enough apart to make it worth it eather.

I try to take good care of my stuff too, but my tractor is the only new one of the bunch. My FIL has a fleet of '70's era iron that powers his hay operation, sit in the fields all summer and some times all winter, dont get fixed untill they are dead broke... but they have been chuggin along since he bought them new. Yet they would still likely pull in a fair value if sent to market.
 
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Being a new owner, WARRENTY was the biggest factor. My first tractor was used but every time I wanted to use it I had to fix something. The other thing I know from experience of selling other things (kayaks, guns, cameras, etc) is supply and demand as well as the right time of year.
 
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Just a guess, but I think the lack of an FEL is why the B3200 isn't selling. Most folks buying a machine that large want it for the FEL. If they're just mowing grass they can spend far less and get a zero turn that will be faster.
 
   / Do we "baby" our tractors too much? #16  
Just a guess, but I think the lack of an FEL is why the B3200 isn't selling. Most folks buying a machine that large want it for the FEL. If they're just mowing grass they can spend far less and get a zero turn that will be faster.

I agree, this response is very likely more applicable than the others. The b3200 isn't really "big" enough to be used as a dedicated, non loader farm tractor. So, you're looking at mowing and light b'hogging tasks. Like mentioned, sometime can spend less on a mower, or slightly more, and get a loader.

Other points I agree with:
New vs used warranty.
New vs used financing.
New vs used pricing.

On the pricing, in my opinion, buying used has to be a substantial enough savings to negate the considerations already mentioned.

Good luck!
 
   / Do we "baby" our tractors too much? #17  
Just a guess, but I think the lack of an FEL is why the B3200 isn't selling. Most folks buying a machine that large want it for the FEL. If they're just mowing grass they can spend far less and get a zero turn that will be faster.
I have to agree 100% with this. Very few people want just a tractor when they look at CUT's. Lack of FEL is going to limit your buyers to just a few and the price is a bit high I think for a bare tractor with MMM regardless of how well kept it is.
 
   / Do we "baby" our tractors too much? #18  
Then there are the 'city folks' that think that a tractor should depreciate like a car. (got a buddy like that)
Then there are those that think pretty and shiny indicates good maintenance. (paint brush overhauls)

Personally I prefer greasy globs around zerks, clean oil on dipstick, and a nice air filter.
A tractor is a TOOL and will show nicks, dents and scrapes, at least it should. If it doesn't then I worry as I wonder what is being hidden.

LOL, I once purchased a 'dozer that I fully intended to sell after about a year or two.
When they prepped it for delivery I made it a term of sale that I would be completely steamed B4 delivery.
First thing I did was a complete 'paint brush' overhaul as it was nice and clean.
When I sold it 2-3 years later it had that 'well maintained' look and first looker became the buyer.
It had just enough grease gobs and grime to give it the 'well maintained look'.
I got exactly my purchase price back! (after it earned 3 X purchase price)
 
   / Do we "baby" our tractors too much? #19  
Consumers in general nowadays are stupid. They think low hours means it'll be more reliable. I'd gladly buy something meticulously cared for with more hours than something noone cared for with half the hours.
 
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An observation I have made- I have never seen a good looking, shiny tractor that has not been well maintained internally. That's not to say that every tractor that does not look nice has been abused or mechanically neglected, but I know that if it looks good, it seems to be good!

Will
 

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