F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost

/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost #321  
I have a 1999 F250 V10 that could pull the BP with the 5075E on it, but I'm impressed by the Ecoboost.

I searched long and hard for a good used Ford or Dodge V10 or a 8L GM for their rated towing ability and only ran across one Ford V10, as I recall, and it was too worn for my needs. So I ended up purchasing a new Ram 2500 diesel. Like good, used, heavy duty farm equipment, it is difficult to find big block pickup trucks used for a reasonable price. I would seriously consider keeping that V10.

I seriously considered purchasing a 1/2 ton Ford EB but they would not deal much at all. In the end I really questioned purchasing a HD 1/2 ton to pull 11k+# trailer. So I bought my loaded Ram 2500 diesel for $6k more and got the stronger chassis, brakes, engine, rear end, transmission, etc, etc. And it is rated to pull 17.1k# on the bumper with no WD and came with the goose neck/5th wheel package and all of the other heavy duty goodies.
 
/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost #322  
I searched long and hard for a good used Ford or Dodge V10 or a 8L GM for their rated towing ability and only ran across one Ford V10, as I recall, and it was too worn for my needs. So I ended up purchasing a new Ram 2500 diesel. Like good, used, heavy duty farm equipment, it is difficult to find big block pickup trucks used for a reasonable price. I would seriously consider keeping that V10.

I seriously considered purchasing a 1/2 ton Ford EB but they would not deal much at all. In the end I really questioned purchasing a HD 1/2 ton to pull 11k+# trailer. So I bought my loaded Ram 2500 diesel for $6k more and got the stronger chassis, brakes, engine, rear end, transmission, etc, etc. And it is rated to pull 17.1k# on the bumper with no WD and came with the goose neck/5th wheel package and all of the other heavy duty goodies.

I would never sell my V10 F250. I got it for a steal, and plan to run it to the ground. :thumbsup:

The EB's do command quite a price tag for the 4x4 models, wow. I bought my 2007 Silverado LT2 CC with 18K miles for $20K in 2009. Almost hard to believe I paid "so little" for it.
 
/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost #323  
FWIW, F150 towing wise I just ordered what will be the third set of tires for my ecoboost truck.

The stock tires were stock tires and wore out at around 35,000 miles.

I put on a set of Michelin LTX MS2 load range D. Hands down they are great down to about -5° F before getting sketchy on ice. I've run the second set of LTX tires for 37,000 miles, and starting last year in the Fall, one tire likely screaming about heat generated from my towing loads, has apparently started to delaminate. After putting in a running total of 15 tire plugs (yes, 15 plugs with four more tiny holes yet to be plugged) even I decided maybe I should stop milking the tread (I'm about an 1/8" off of the wear bars) and take advantage of the buy three get 1 free along with the $70.00 mail-in rebate sale that ends August 31st.

Since I thoroughly love the Michelin LTX MS2 tire series, I'm putting on Load range E versions this Friday. I plan to run them at 40-45 psi to preserve the ride in my truck although the tire is rated to 60 psi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj-1x6BE6h8
 
/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost
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#324  
FWIW, F150 towing wise I just ordered what will be the third set of tires for my ecoboost truck. The stock tires were stock tires and wore out at around 35,000 miles. I put on a set of Michelin LTX MS2 load range D. Hands down they are great down to about -5° F before getting sketchy on ice. I've run the second set of LTX tires for 37,000 miles, and starting last year in the Fall, one tire likely screaming about heat generated from my towing loads, has apparently started to delaminate. After putting in a running total of 15 tire plugs (yes, 15 plugs with four more tiny holes yet to be plugged) even I decided maybe I should stop milking the tread (I'm about an 1/8" off of the wear bars) and take advantage of the buy three get 1 free along with the $70.00 mail-in rebate sale that ends August 31st. Since I thoroughly love the Michelin LTX MS2 tire series, I'm putting on Load range E versions this Friday. I plan to run them at 40-45 psi to preserve the ride in my truck although the tire is rated to 60 psi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj-1x6BE6h8

Are you satisfied with less than 40,000 per set of tires? Do you contribute the wear to the towing? Friend of mine put 50,000 on the stock Pirelli 20" tires. How many miles total on truck?
 
/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost #325  
Are you satisfied with less than 40,000 per set of tires? Do you contribute the wear to the towing? Friend of mine put 50,000 on the stock Pirelli 20" tires. How many miles total on truck?

I have 18" wheels. My truck is likely carrying 6500 pounds with my junk in it all the time (dry weight is something like 5800ish pounds on a 157" WB F150, 3.5L 4x4). Apart from the one tire apparently delaminating (a problem in the entire tire industry), the Michelins would be fine for many more miles except for a little hydroplaning through deep puddles at speed in your area. In my area, going into winter with a 1/4" of tire tread is asking for trouble or worse.
 
/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost #326  
My factory tires made it 36,000 miles. I put on Goodyear Dura Tracs and so far so good with 64,000 miles. They should easily go to 80K.

Chris
 
/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost #327  
I get about 20k out of a set of back tires maybe less on my f250, the only time the truck is used is heavy towing and most of it is short trips, less than 20 miles. I quit rotating tires, I just pull the back set off move the front to the back and put new ones on the front. That's just the way it is towing with something with a bunch of torque. I am sure a dually would help with tire wear immensely but I can't justify it. CJ
 
/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost
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Been looking for first vehicle for my oldest daughter. Has had her heart set on a Jeep Wrangler. Found one 300 miles away in north Alabama. Very hilly compared to what we see in south Mississippi. Trip going up running mostly 70 mph with trailer empty netted approximately 12 mpg. Coming back loaded with cruise set on 75 mph most of the way retuned approximately 8.5 mph. On occasion would drop from 6th to 5th and if steep for a long distance would occasional drop to 4th. Once it dropped to 4th it would pretty quickly be back at 75 mph and hold it with no problem.


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/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost
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#329  
Been looking for first vehicle for my oldest daughter. Has had her heart set on a Jeep Wrangler. Found one 300 miles away in north Alabama. Very hilly compared to what we see in south Mississippi. Trip going up running mostly 70 mph with trailer empty netted approximately 12 mpg. Coming back loaded with cruise set on 75 mph most of the way retuned approximately 8.5 mph. On occasion would drop from 6th to 5th and if steep for a long distance would occasional drop to 4th. Once it dropped to 4th it would pretty quickly be back at 75 mph and hold it with no problem. <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/files/trailers-transportation/439238-f250-6-2-v8-vs-image-2234760453-jpg"/>


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/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost #331  
As a follow-up, even though I had delaminating issues with my prior set of Michelins, I swapped out the load E rating for the P rating after one trip down the freeway.

I have a super bad back and the load range E tires rode stiffer, which I didn't mind, but they also transferred just enough vibration to the point where I experienced back pain within a mile of highway speeds.

Kudos to Michelin for having a 30-day ride guarantee in place that allowed my local Ford dealer to swap out the load class E tires for the standard tires for only $80.00, the cost of mounting and balancing the tires.

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/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost #332  
FWIW, F150 towing wise I just ordered what will be the third set of tires for my ecoboost truck.

The stock tires were stock tires and wore out at around 35,000 miles.

I put on a set of Michelin LTX MS2 load range D.
Stock tires always blow. We've also had good like with the AT2 on our van: have some snow traction without being too noisy.

Our Ecoboost Transit van is still breaking in. On the last tank we average 18.5mpg indicated 16.6 actual. That's easily 20% better than the Express, with the medium roof (6' headroom). Turns 2,000 rpm at 60mph and has gobs of torque.

I rented a 2015 F150 SuperCrew and it weighed 4,750. That's 250 lbs less than the Transit so the aluminum matters.
 
/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost #333  
FWIW, F150 towing wise I just ordered what will be the third set of tires for my ecoboost truck.

The stock tires were stock tires and wore out at around 35,000 miles.

I put on a set of Michelin LTX MS2 load range D.
Stock tires always blow. We've also had good like with the AT2 on our van: have some snow traction without being too noisy.

Our Ecoboost Transit van is still breaking in. On the last tank we average 18.5mpg indicated 16.6 actual. That's easily 20% better than the Express, with the medium roof (6' headroom). Turns 2,000 rpm at 60mph and has gobs of torque.

I rented a 2015 F150 SuperCrew and it weighed 4,750. That's 250 lbs less than the Transit so the aluminum matters.
 
/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost #334  
Bet you had a tough time finding that 6.5' bed on the EB. I looked all over Houston before I found mine. Seems to be a rare find.

As a follow-up, even though I had delaminating issues with my prior set of Michelins, I swapped out the load E rating for the P rating after one trip down the freeway.

I have a super bad back and the load range E tires rode stiffer, which I didn't mind, but they also transferred just enough vibration to the point where I experienced back pain within a mile of highway speeds.



Kudos to Michelin for having a 30-day ride guarantee in place that allowed my local Ford dealer to swap out the load class E tires for the standard tires for only $80.00, the cost of mounting and balancing the tires.

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/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost #335  
Bet you had a tough time finding that 6.5' bed on the EB. I looked all over Houston before I found mine. Seems to be a rare find.

Are you referencing a shorter bed or a longer bed? My experience with any brand of truck I was looking for in my area was it seemed all dealers stocked the mid length bed as the standard bed (~6.5' which is what I wanted) with an occasional shorter bed and never did I see a 8' bed. And most of the non-commercial trucks on the road in my area are the 6.5' or shorter. My truck was primarily purchased for towing or the intermittent large item that needs to go into the bed. My 6.3' bed is further shortened internally due to the cross bed box and I would much rather have a 8' bed. But with my crew cab, it would just be too long.
 
/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost #336  
Referencing a supercrew with the 6.5' bed. I would guess that it's 30:1 ratio of supercrew trucks with the 5.5' bed compared to trucks with the 6.5' bed. In fact most dealers that were smallish or midsize didn't have any at all. AFAIK nobody makes a 1/2 ton supercrew truck with a 8' bed and if they did it would look like a boat!
 
/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost #337  
Bet you had a tough time finding that 6.5' bed on the EB. I looked all over Houston before I found mine. Seems to be a rare find.

No problem at all: I ordered it on Friday, March 11th, 2011. Sadly that day sticks with me since that was also the day of the last big Japanese Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami.

Other weird things:

I paid more money to get just the navigation without the moonroof, which where and likely still are a package deal. My experience as an auto tech is that moonroofs are noisy, leak water, and screw things up. I didn't order the Platinum version because its towing rating was lower and 20" wheels have a lousy ride, get worse fuel economy, and bend too easily.

I haven't replaced the truck because I fear new seat designs will hurt my back.

Most city dealers do not stock the 157" or longer half-tons because most spec houses don't have long enough garages to park them in and so the longer wheelbase trucks do not sell as well, according to my Ford sales manager who shared that tidbit with me years ago.

I didn't have the dealer wash my truck because their car wash isn't touchless and my level of dirt turns traditional car washes into sandpaper for the next two dozens cars that go through.
 
/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost #338  
I paid more money to get just the navigation without the moonroof, which where and likely still are a package deal. My experience as an auto tech is that moonroofs are noisy, leak water, and screw things up. I didn't order the Platinum version because its towing rating was lower and 20" wheels have a lousy ride, get worse fuel economy, and bend too easily.

Most city dealers do not stock the 157" or longer half-tons because most spec houses don't have long enough garages to park them in and so the longer wheelbase trucks do not sell as well, according to my Ford sales manager who shared that tidbit with me years ago.
I didn't have the dealer wash my truck because their car wash isn't touchless and my level of dirt turns traditional car washes into sandpaper for the next two dozens cars that go through.

I have not had any problems with the moon roofs on my modern vehicles, but have on the older cars, even when new. However, I never use them and have no desire to pay for them, if practical. I just have no need for something like this. My last car, a 2008 Subaru Outback XT, had two of them and the only time I opened them was to test to make sure they worked.

I also do not like factory nav systems, but had to purchase it with my new Ram from a dealers lot that was out of state. Actually my truck is fairly optioned out and the nav unit was the only thing I did not want and all of the other things I wanted were there, including colors, snow plow prep (220 amp alternator), block heater, clearance lights, aux. switch bank, etc., etc. But this 2015 truck allowed for a $2500 discount over a 2016 that was an additional $1000 higher on top of that. So I am okay with the nav unit :) But I have my Garmin installed on a stalk by the drivers seat.

I sure miss the 15" - 17" wheels where the tire added a lot to suspension characteristics. I have 18" wheels on my new Ram 2500 diesel, CC, 4WD- the smallest aluminum wheel diameter available, and told all dealers I would not accept wheels any larger. As far as I am concerned, low profile tires and large diameter wheels are only appropriate on performance vehicles on the track with modified suspensions, where they can truly take advantage of the shorter, stiffer sidewall. Street vehicles typically can't as long as they are obeying traffic regulations and provide a harsher ride. I don't get it. Especially on a heavy duty truck.

A friend has a BMW 33x that cost ~ $73k and it is a truly beautiful car I admire whenever I see it. He hit a pot hole in town with a RR wheel after avoiding it with the front wheels and bent the wheel. I told him I am not concerned about pot holes as my wheels just drive over or through them.

We will be moving into our custom built home in four to six weeks and that builtin garage is just a tad short for my new truck with the winch bumper and winch. Well, I could probably squeeze it in but the truck will fit nicely in the shop, along with the tractor..
 
/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost #339  
Eric- what is that "No Bailout Edition"? Paint you added? I have not seen that as an option nor on any other vehicle.
 
/ F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost #340  
Eric- what is that "No Bailout Edition"? Paint you added? I have not seen that as an option nor on any other vehicle.

It's my joke.

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I also had this on my Mercedes.

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