Buying Advice Pretty Sure I have Narrowed It down to Two: Massey 2706e or Kubota MX5800

[GManBart]

Ah, I see now. Sorry I have gotten so bleary eyed reading all this dang info. Still cannot find the steering flow but I get the implement flow.

We've all been there, and paralysis by analysis is pretty common when it comes to this sort of decision. In this case you're looking at quality machines that will do what you want, so buy whichever one will make you smile the most when you look at it in the barn, or plop down in the seat.

 

[Grandad4]

Agree with the others that you're considering two excellent brands with comparable models. Either would serve you well, so choose the one you favor for yourself. The Kub dealer in Winston is a long-time ag equipment dealer from the days when farming was close to that part of town. Good people to do business with, according to some farmers and landscapers I know. Several other good Kub dealers in the area also. The MF dealer is a bit more recent, but still well established. Don't know anything pro or con regarding him.

 

[jenkinsph]

The HST+ with the hydraulic hi lo is a step up for box blade work imo. Kubota has it and Deere doesn't. That is one thing I would gladly pay extra for as it allows you to reverse at a faster speed and pull the box blade forward at the lower speed with more force.

 

[AuburnAlum]

Great advice Gents. I was on the road today and traveling past a Deere dealer I used to work with when I lived closer. Still with reach of my house and I was pleasantly surprised that it was not associated with a large chain. Net, great experience so I struck up a conversation on a 3039R. Good pricing still more expensive by a good amount but put it in the game. So here is my due diligence on the comparison.

 

[TSO]

Great advice Gents. I was on the road today and traveling past a Deere dealer I used to work with when I lived closer. Still with reach of my house and I was pleasantly surprised that it was not associated with a large chain. Net, great experience so I struck up a conversation on a 3039R. Good pricing still more expensive by a good amount but put it in the game. So here is my due diligence on the comparison.

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Okay, I couldn't take it anymore LOL ... Looked up the actual Specs for the Hydraulic Flow.

The Kubota L3560 HST Lists: Implement Flow: 8.1 GPM. Steering Flow: 4.7 GPM. Total Flow: 12.8 GPM. 3pt Lift @ 24" = 2,650 lbs
The Deere 3039R HST Lists: Implement Flow: 8.6 GPM. Steering Flow: 5.3 GPM. Total Flow: 13.9 GPM. 3pt Lift @ 24" = 2,200 lbs
The Massey 1736 HST Lists: Implement Flow: 11.6 GPM. Steering Flow: (?)....... Total Flow: (?) ........ 3pt Lift @ 24" = 2535 lbs

The Massey total GPM numbers are not easy to find online for some reason. However, if you have an operators manual, it'll all be in there. For example, my previous 1648 had 11.6 GPM @ the remotes, and 4.9 GPM at the Steering Pump, totaling 16.5 GPM. My 1652 has 12.3 GPM Implement & 5.2 Steering GPM, = 17.5 GPM total. I'm assuming the 1736 is similar to that.

https://www.kubota.com/assets/product/Comps/L60/GrandL60ModelsCompPDF.pdf
http://maplelanefarmservice.ca/reso...ey_Ferguson_1700_Premium_Series_Specsheet.pdf
https://www.deere.com/en_US/product...ries/3039r_compact_utility_tractor/3039r.page

 

[AuburnAlum]

Okay, I couldn't take it anymore LOL ... Looked up the actual Specs for the Hydraulic Flow.

The Kubota L3560 HST Lists: Implement Flow: 8.1 GPM. Steering Flow: 4.7 GPM. Total Flow: 12.8 GPM. 3pt Lift @ 24" = 2,650 lbs
The Deere 3039R HST Lists: Implement Flow: 8.6 GPM. Steering Flow: 5.3 GPM. Total Flow: 12.9 GPM. 3pt Lift @ 24" = 2,200 lbs
The Massey 1736 HST Lists: Implement Flow: 11.6 GPM. Steering Flow: (?)....... Total Flow: (?) ........ 3pt Lift @ 24" = 2535 lbs

The Massey total GPM numbers are not easy to find online for some reason. However, if you have an operators manual, it'll all be in there. For example, my 1648 had 11.6 GPM @ the remotes, and 4.9 GPM at the Steering Pump, totaling 16.5 GPM. I'm assuming the 1736 is similar to that.

https://www.kubota.com/assets/product/Comps/L60/GrandL60ModelsCompPDF.pdf
http://maplelanefarmservice.ca/reso...ey_Ferguson_1700_Premium_Series_Specsheet.pdf
https://www.deere.com/en_US/product...ries/3039r_compact_utility_tractor/3039r.page

Haha! In the back of my mind I thought it might irritate the tar out of you when I posted that incomplete data. You also now know I could not find all the MF info too. ;-) Sorry for my lazy way (thus the double asterisk), it really is a credit to you as I believe what you have been talking about from the beginning with regard to MF having higher flow. Thank you for the 3pt lift at 24" too.

 

[TSO]

Haha! In the back of my mind I thought it might irritate the tar out of you when I posted that incomplete data. You also now know I could not find all the MF info too. ;-) Sorry for my lazy way (thus the double asterisk), it really is a credit to you as I believe what you have been talking about from the beginning with regard to MF having higher flow. Thank you for the 3pt lift at 24" too.

 

[SDT]

First: I feel your issues were definitely dealer related, as both of my local Massey dealers are stellar. The local Kubota dealer, while way overpriced on everything on their lot, is also good. I've heard people complain also about their Kubota, John Deere, NH, etc... Dealers also, and went to other brands because of it. It's unfortunate that you experienced a less than adequate dealer experience.

Second: Your MF machines were not typical of Iseki built Massey quality. Especially your Tafe built machine, which is well known to be problematic, and unfortunately, a bit of pre-purchase research may have been able to reveal that.... Unfortunately, that led you to experience the above dealer deficiencies.

Third: You are correct that your non-Iseki Massey units were not the "same quality" as Kubota. But then, in my experience with two new Iseki-Massey's and three new Kubota machines, the Kubota's haven't been up to the same quality level as my Massey's.

I certainly don't think that Kubota machines aren't quality builds, but it's not accurate for you to blanket statement that MF is not Kubota quality, unless you preface it more specifically.

Firstly, what you feel is irrelevant. What I experienced is fact. Both Massey Ferguson AND Their dealer treated me badly.

Secondly, Both of my Massey Ferguson tractors clearly stated "MASSEY FERGUSON" on the hood, owners manual, warranty, invoices, etc. Moreover, their dealer's sign also said "MASSEY FERGUSON." Nowhere did I see "TAFE." In the event that you do not know, when you put your name on something, it's yours.

To be fair, both of my MF tractors were somewhat less expensive (and somewhat heavier) than the most comparable models offered by Kubota. That said, my experience has taught me that I would have been money and hours ahead had I simply bought the most comparable (though somewhat more expensive) Kubota models in both 2007 and 2012, rather than EITHER of the MF tractors that I did buy. I have lived and I have learned.

Again, MF is not Kubota.

Never again.

SDT

 

[TSO]

Firstly, what you feel is irrelevant. What I experienced is fact. Both Massey Ferguson AND Their dealer treated me badly.

Secondly, Both of my Massey Ferguson tractors clearly stated "MASSEY FERGUSON" on the hood, owners manual, warranty, invoices, etc. Moreover, their dealer's sign also said "MASSEY FERGUSON." Nowhere did I see "TAFE." In the event that you do not know, when you put your name on something, it's yours.

To be fair, both of my MF tractors were somewhat less expensive (and somewhat heavier) than the most comparable models offered by Kubota. That said, my experience has taught me that I would have been money and hours ahead had I simply bought the most comparable (though somewhat more expensive) Kubota models in both 2007 and 2012, rather than EITHER of the MF tractors that I did buy. I have lived and I have learned.

Again, MF is not Kubota.

Never again.

SDT

Your broken-record catch phrases always make me chuckle. Thanks for the laugh

But, and please correct me if I'm wrong... But I've read thru nearly every post you've written and I still don't recall EVER seeing you post the problems you had with your tractor and/or dealer. Any chance you could explain to us exactly what happened that soured the milk so? It could certainly help with adding some credibility to your statements, as well as help potential customers with future purchases.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Firstly, what you feel is irrelevant. What I experienced is fact. Both Massey Ferguson AND Their dealer treated me badly.

Secondly, Both of my Massey Ferguson tractors clearly stated "MASSEY FERGUSON" on the hood, owners manual, warranty, invoices, etc. Moreover, their dealer's sign also said "MASSEY FERGUSON." Nowhere did I see "TAFE." In the event that you do not know, when you put your name on something, it's yours.

To be fair, both of my MF tractors were somewhat less expensive (and somewhat heavier) than the most comparable models offered by Kubota. That said, my experience has taught me that I would have been money and hours ahead had I simply bought the most comparable (though somewhat more expensive) Kubota models in both 2007 and 2012, rather than EITHER of the MF tractors that I did buy. I have lived and I have learned.

Again, MF is not Kubota.

Never again.

SDT

Ditto. When I started my tractor buying journey I quickly learned there was only one tractor out there that was what it said it was, Kubota. So what if they cost more, cheap isn't always a practical option.