MinnesotaEric
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The joke is that in China R&D stands for replicate and duplicate.
cabelas is discontinuing tractor sales
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The joke is that in China R&D stands for replicate and duplicate.
Jim Timber
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AxleHub
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Handloader,
Its importsnt for ypu to recognize three things imo.
1. While Cabelas may be starting to discontinue their tractor effort . . their service departments are cross trained between boats snd atvs and tractors . . so I envision they will be supporting their tractors for many years.
2. Some tbn posters will come off pessimidtic about your new tractor because they sre pessimistic of cabelas . . Cabelas is a solid and good quality company . . You'll need to keep that in the back of your mind.
3. Like in many things in life . . Some people want to be attached to a brand and a group. Because Cabelas tractor products have not been out for very long . . that brand and group will be small. But that doesn't mean they won't have great longevity and capability. Again . . It means Cabelas will be an important link and you'll need to have much of your own confidence to keep optimistic when others wave the "gloom and doom flag". I'd bet you'll have a great upcoming year on your bew unit
jenkinsph
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It is surprising when you see a picture of an implement you made and posted here on TBN copied to a china website with their name across the picture. Mine was a simple 3 point harrow but what if it was something you spent an inordinate amount of time building and designing. They will steal anything from what I can tell.
My point earlier was I would not want to be dependent on China for parts on everything I own, and that is precisely where we are headed.
My point earlier was I would not want to be dependent on China for parts on everything I own, and that is precisely where we are headed.
jenkinsph
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It is surprising when you see a picture of an implement you made and posted here on TBN copied to a china website with their name across the picture. Mine was a simple 3 point harrow but what if it was something you spent an inordinate amount of time building and designing. They will steal anything from what I can tell.
My point earlier was I would not want to be dependent on China for parts on everything I own, and that is precisely where we are headed.
My point earlier was I would not want to be dependent on China for parts on everything I own, and that is precisely where we are headed.
Jim Timber
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TYM probably makes a fine machine. The South Koreans are good at making machine tools and automobiles, so their tractors are probably going to come out being good buys as their reputation develops. The only problem with them right now that anyone's managed to come up with is that they're relatively new to the market, so they lack a dealer network, and they were grossly over priced when Cabela's started pushing them - something which has been recently corrected.
There's nothing to have buyers remorse over. Handloader got a good deal and it's a nice little machine from what I saw.
There's nothing to have buyers remorse over. Handloader got a good deal and it's a nice little machine from what I saw.
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An iPhone, or any other Apple product is far from high technology. I spent a number of years working issues related to theft of trade secrets, and economic espionage. That experience is what I'm relying on when I say that China isn't capable of producing things at the top of the technical difficulty scale.
There's a reason why things like lasers, GPS guidance units, multiple axis CNC turn centers/lathes/mills can't be exported to China....they don't have the capability to produce them domestically.
Jim Timber
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Multi-axis CNC's are electronically one step up from a graphic calculator. Hardly high tech.
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It's not necessarily the electronics in question that makes something like a turn center subject to export controls like ITAR or EAR.
There are some forms of high grade carbon fiber that can't be exported to China. How high tech is carbon fiber? People have gone to jail for trying to ship programable logic devices, the carbon fiber I just mentioned, high performance coatings (for metal), pressure sensors and many other fairly low tech items to China....because they're not high tech here, but beyond the production capability of China.
AxleHub
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The concept of China having limited technical skills and capabilities just does not agree with my experiences. About 7 years ago, a very small business in the U.S. needed some newly designed speaker cabinets produced. This business had for decades, been building them in the U.S. by a specialized 3rd party . . .but this new design was condidrably more unique because its outer surface was coated in a "piano black" surface. And in the U.S. anything done in "piano black" is very expensive becausr of Osha regulations. So designs went to a small cabinet manufacturer in China for prototyping.
Now anyone who works with China has the issue of communication in "specifics" . . which is a big issue unless you are a much larger entity doing direct person to person design on site. They take everything literally and exactly as shown. The cabinet's interior design needed a small chamfer or radius on the joint edges before final assembly. And the drawings were showing that. No big thing to do . . . Its an expensive cabinet but its still just a wood cabinet being produced a hundred pair at a time.
Well the prototype was shipped to the U.S. company for evaluation and approval. The "piano black" was stunning in quality . . Yet affordable. Cabinet dimensions were exact to blueprints sent. But the price was just a bit higher than expected. The reason was because they didn't radius/chamfer some interior joint edges before assembly . . they literally assembled 5 sides of the unit and routed "reversal radiuses" in place on a continous basis all around the interior area.
Now in our community we have manufacturers with half million to 1 million dollar robotic routers (ay the time). That cabinet was taken to one of them just to see what they thought of it. They were stunned because their most expensive router couldn't come close to accomplishing the same construction. I don't mean by cost . . I mean by capability.
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Now this was from a small manufacturer for potential orders of 100 units per order done 7 years ago. Imagine what China's technical capability was and is . . For serious sized manufacturers for serious sized orders and money. China just like the U.S. has the manufacturing ability to produce cheap junk or stunningly elaborate and complex product.
They hacked the Pentagon Joint Chiefs of staff rmail account . . their technical skills are substantial and their manufacturing "can be" equally capable when they choose it to be.
Now anyone who works with China has the issue of communication in "specifics" . . which is a big issue unless you are a much larger entity doing direct person to person design on site. They take everything literally and exactly as shown. The cabinet's interior design needed a small chamfer or radius on the joint edges before final assembly. And the drawings were showing that. No big thing to do . . . Its an expensive cabinet but its still just a wood cabinet being produced a hundred pair at a time.
Well the prototype was shipped to the U.S. company for evaluation and approval. The "piano black" was stunning in quality . . Yet affordable. Cabinet dimensions were exact to blueprints sent. But the price was just a bit higher than expected. The reason was because they didn't radius/chamfer some interior joint edges before assembly . . they literally assembled 5 sides of the unit and routed "reversal radiuses" in place on a continous basis all around the interior area.
Now in our community we have manufacturers with half million to 1 million dollar robotic routers (ay the time). That cabinet was taken to one of them just to see what they thought of it. They were stunned because their most expensive router couldn't come close to accomplishing the same construction. I don't mean by cost . . I mean by capability.
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Now this was from a small manufacturer for potential orders of 100 units per order done 7 years ago. Imagine what China's technical capability was and is . . For serious sized manufacturers for serious sized orders and money. China just like the U.S. has the manufacturing ability to produce cheap junk or stunningly elaborate and complex product.
They hacked the Pentagon Joint Chiefs of staff rmail account . . their technical skills are substantial and their manufacturing "can be" equally capable when they choose it to be.
