Your last generator Maintenance Run

   / Your last generator Maintenance Run #801  
Looks like 22's are the new normal for residential auto-transfer.

what surprised me is that I can actually run three Trane a/c compressors with it; granted I start flicking off breakers
for the hot water heaters and the hot tub automatically gets turned off. I lived aboard a boat for three years and have load
management down pretty well. only a few things at a time...

The Generac/Kohler 22kw units use an approx one liter twin cylinder "lawn mower engine" for want of a better term.
I think this is about the limit for air cooled engines unless one has the engineering background of Deutz or whatever.
In this country we typically have gone water cooled then, for less hot spots and longer engine life supposedly. of course cooling systems can fail;
oh those little rubber impellers do fail. Particularly if they have been sitting in the same spot for too long and not run.
So air cooled has its advantages; the fan power on my Generac is remarkably strong. It will toast shrubbery for six feet on one side.
Huge cost difference, at least tripling usually, to take the next steep step up to a water cooled propane/LP powered car engine based generator.

My understanding has always been the Generac engine is a slightly modified B&S Vanguard. I am now on my second Generac unit, the first
was the 20kw at another home. They have never consumed oil; only time I ever saw the mark move was in running for four days and that was hardly anything.
These engines don't use oil. Not like the scandalous use of some modern Subarus, BMW's, etc which consume oil intentionally at a rate most of us would be alarmed by. When was the last time you had to add oil in between car/truck oil changes? I never ever have to; maybe I've just been lucky. And that's pulling an rv with my truck too. And I sure never have to add oil to my gen. Though I admit none of them are high mileage. Either Mobil 1 or Valvoline synthetic, oem, Wix or Purolator PureOne oil filter. Have always put in best oil I could find. This is one machine I do not want problems with.

So I guess the piston ring tech is good enough today that oil is retained well and seems like Generac does a particularly good job of that.
I wonder if there is a design spec for unattended operation, assuming a large enough fuel tank, for up to one week straight?
Both my neighbor and I have similar gens, his is a Kohler, but we have a deal that if either of us is away, we check on the other guy's gen, since both of our power comes off the same line and we almost always go down together. Even if it doesn't use oil, I like to turn the gen off every 12 hours anyway for an hour, if I can, usually during the day.

Otherwise mine comes on every second Saturday at 1pm for an automatic exercise run. Apparently just enough to heat up the engine. On the older 20kw, it ran every week. Apparently with propane, they can do every two weeks and maintain reliability. Runs at reduced rpm during test runs.
personally i set the ones i install to still run once a week and i disable the quiet test. The thinking here is the old exercise cycles were 12 minutes at half speed, the newer units only are allowed per EPA to operate for five minutes. Most techs dont think 5 minutes at half speed once or twice a month are enough. After the unit gets some hours on it, switching to bymonthly wouldnt probibly hurt. But again, were in a cold climate. In a warmer climate it would be different.
I added the winter kit to my own unit. Only about 10% of my customers think that they want this kit. Personally i feel it should come standard. I can hear the differences in startup in winter between prewarmed and cold units. The newer generac evolution units now sense the air temps and can delay transfer times depending on external temps to allow gen more warm up time.
 
   / Your last generator Maintenance Run #802  
We have similar restrictions on the Hospital Gensets...

It was standard practice to run under load 30 minutes once a week and now we are regulated to once every other week.

In the grand scheme of things it wouldn't seem running an emergency power unit once a week is a bad thing but rules are rules and inspectors do come by and check.

Admin likes it the Diesel lasts longer between fill ups... I don't like going two years between fill ups vs one.
 
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personally i set the ones i install to still run once a week and i disable the quiet test. The thinking here is the old exercise cycles were 12 minutes at half speed, the newer units only are allowed per EPA to operate for five minutes. Most techs dont think 5 minutes at half speed once or twice a month are enough. After the unit gets some hours on it, switching to bymonthly wouldnt probibly hurt. But again, were in a cold climate. In a warmer climate it would be different.
I added the winter kit to my own unit. Only about 10% of my customers think that they want this kit. Personally i feel it should come standard. I can hear the differences in startup in winter between prewarmed and cold units. The newer generac evolution units now sense the air temps and can delay transfer times depending on external temps to allow gen more warm up time.

Those short warmups at reduced speed wouldn't cut it up here for exercise a good portion of the year. GRS - can I assume that all these new ones still have a Manual/Forced Run setting ?

Smart move on those evolutions - the sensor hardware costs next to nothing these days, and there is a microcontroller sitting there already....

Daugen has a good point about oil consumption (those new "2 stroke" car engines are worth a thread all on their own :rolleyes:), my Briggs use next to no oil..... Just shows to go ya how badly maintained those gens with empty crankcases grs rescued were....

"Only about 10% of my customers think that they want this kit." - great example of people not understanding Need vs. Want......

Rgds, D.
 
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We have similar restrictions on the Hospital Gensets...

It was standard practice to run under load 30 minutes once a week and now we are regulated to once every other week.

In the grand scheme of things it wouldn't seem running an emergency power unit once a week is a bad thing but rules are rules and inspectors do come by and check.

Admin likes it the Diesel lasts longer between fill ups... I don't like going two years between fill ups vs one.

Sounds like Admin needs to be tasked with scraping the sludge out of a diesel tank that hadn't been turned over/filled frequently enough.

Rgds, D.
 
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Didn't see many small generators...

Most of my colleagues had wood with either oil or gas for heat... some all three.

Radiant heat is the standard and thermosyphon doesn't require a circulation pump to work... not as efficient if the power is out but still works.

Most are fanatical about being able to keep warm and go to great lengths to insure they do and can also cook.

Gas supplies are problematic as mentioned.

Of course the farmers have 3-point generators... and are very adaptable...

Thoreau would have understood them. Over here....not a chance....

Rgds, D.
 
   / Your last generator Maintenance Run #806  
ultrarunner - I also work at a hospital (SW Florida). We (I) still run the 2-700 KW gens every week and a loaded test monthly. Some months I can't shut down for 4 hour do to some departments wo don't have battery BU units on their equipment. They hate to lose the patient test info when I shut down. We are in the process now to put in 2 - 1 meg units for a couple of expansion projects in the works. How many bed at your place? We have only 238 presently.
 
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   / Your last generator Maintenance Run #807  
I'm now assigned exclusively to the outpatient unit and the largest genset is 150 kW. I was there when it was installed back in 1995.

If I had it to do over again I would have a dedicated UPS circuit(s) from the main panel room to serve critical equipment... as it is, I buy a lot of batteries as most patient devices contain batteries and then we have critical systems with individual UPS units under the desks which in itself is problematic... not the UPS but when people plug and unplug things so what should be on UPS/Generator isn't and things like bed warmers are...

Every week I do a survey to stay ahead...

Patients at my facility stay a maximum of 24 hours...
 
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Those short warmups at reduced speed wouldn't cut it up here for exercise a good portion of the year. GRS - can I assume that all these new ones still have a Manual/Forced Run setting ?

Smart move on those evolutions - the sensor hardware costs next to nothing these days, and there is a microcontroller sitting there already....

Daugen has a good point about oil consumption (those new "2 stroke" car engines are worth a thread all on their own :rolleyes:), my Briggs use next to no oil..... Just shows to go ya how badly maintained those gens with empty crankcases grs rescued were....

"Only about 10% of my customers think that they want this kit." - great example of people not understanding Need vs. Want......

Rgds, D.
not sure what you mean by manual forced run function.
 
   / Your last generator Maintenance Run #809  
when people plug and unplug things so what should be on UPS/Generator isn't and things like bed warmers are...

Every week I do a survey to stay ahead...

Color code plug and outlet? Red plugs go into red outlets only.

Bruce
 
   / Your last generator Maintenance Run #810  
Red Hospital Spec Outlets for patient care devices and all outlets in the 6 operating rooms except each operating room has a single dedicated duplex non generator circuit for housekeeping.

Patient recovery and post op and beds have a mix of outlets... all Hospital Spec but not all in E power... again for Housekeeping and non critical or life safety needs.

We also have Orange Isolated Ground receptacles for sensitive electronics plus Red Hospital Grade Hubbell GFCI in Endo Rooms...

I've suggested red banding critical equipment electric cords and didn't get far... a lot of equipment moves around... it is mostly only an issue in Post Op/Recovery.

A lot of after thought went into Y2K and when California had rolling blackouts with the Enron scandal... I had to add critical systems such as the electric lobby doors, lobby restrooms and Medical Records plus receptacles for the Biological Incubators...
 

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