3500 truck needs CDL?

[Turbys_1700]

So according to the flow chart I don't need a class A or CDL to pull a trailer over 10K...
Why would the state issue a license that states a 10K limit on it?
I understand what you are saying LD1...
Not trying to get into a peeing contest...
I certainly respect your opinion...
I'm just trying to wrap my head around the idea that I can pull a trailer over 10K and not get a ticket as long as I am under 26K...

 

[LD1]

As long it's not for commercial purposes.

That info on the back of your license is on the back of a class c cdl. So it is assumed you are driving a vehicle meeting that description, in that it's designed to haul 16+ people. If that's the vehicle you are driving.....and doing so commercially.....the info is 100% correct.

If you are NOT driving a class c vehicle.....info doesn't apply.

 

[tcartwri]

We need to back up here a little bit. The first threshold in the flow chart is in Gross Combined Rating. You need to read the fine print below that chart to understand how enforcement will interpret that number...

I believe that every dually made now is rated for over 26K "Combined". The fine print under the chart says that this manufacturers rating would be applied "if" it was printed on the door sticker. I don't believe I've ever seen this number printed in a door sticker though.

But obviously DOT knows what the minimum combined rating is for these trucks. So I wouldn't be surprised if they require a class A ( either commercial or non commercial ) to pull any gooseneck.

You absolutely need a non commercial class A in Ontario for example. Except for an RV....perversely.

 

[Turbys_1700]

As long it's not for commercial purposes.

That info on the back of your license is on the back of a class c cdl. So it is assumed you are driving a vehicle meeting that description, in that it's designed to haul 16+ people. If that's the vehicle you are driving.....and doing so commercially.....the info is 100% correct.

If you are NOT driving a class c vehicle.....info doesn't apply.

Thank you for the clarification LD1...
I really appreciate it...

I've got to get my air brake endorsement for a truck my dad has given me...
Guess I should have taken it when I did the CDL C for the 16+ certification for the church van...
Since it did not have air brakes I did not have a vehicle to do the on site test...
1975 GMC 6500 with 13' dump and air brakes...
Chevy registration tag on inside door is 24K...
427 truck engine...

 

[terryknight]

We need to back up here a little bit. The first threshold in the flow chart is in Gross Combined Rating. You need to read the fine print below that chart to understand how enforcement will interpret that number...

I believe that every dually made now is rated for over 26K "Combined". The fine print under the chart says that this manufacturers rating would be applied "if" it was printed on the door sticker. I don't believe I've ever seen this number printed in a door sticker though.

But obviously DOT knows what the minimum combined rating is for these trucks. So I wouldn't be surprised if they require a class A ( either commercial or non commercial ) to pull any gooseneck.

You absolutely need a non commercial class A in Ontario for example. Except for an RV....perversely.

When DOT talks about "combined" they are talking about adding the GVWR for the tow vehicle and teh GVWR of the tailer. not the "GCVWR" the tow vehicle is rated for from the manufacturer

and yes i think the bog three all rate the GCVWR for there "one tons" at more than 26K

 

[LD1]

When DOT talks about "combined" they are talking about adding the GVWR for the tow vehicle and teh GVWR of the tailer. not the "GCVWR" the tow vehicle is rated for from the manufacturer

and yes i think the bog three all rate the GCVWR for there "one tons" at more than 26K

Correct. Whatever the mfg rates them for is irrelevant, at least here in the states.

3/4 ton with a 9990 gvwr can tow a trailer to 16k commercially without a class A

A 1+ton with a 12.2k gvwr cannot even tow a 14k trailer commercially without a CDL A. Same license required to drive a 80k, 53' semi. Stupid if you ask me, but that's the law

 

[em14]

LD1 - I must drive through 3 States to get to my farm. I have a 2007 Chevrolet HD 3500 (Weighs: 6000+) and I pull a 10T Goose Neck Trailer (Weighs 6,000+) and haul a JD 6420 (Weighs 12,000). The total weigh is approx 24000 lbs. I do not plan to bring this tractor back to Florida but I am hearing the DOT does not care if the weigh of the load is under the mfg rating of the trailer in GA and maybe the same in the other 2 States. They weigh the rated in their load Calculation. So my question - is the trailer rating going to be my problem child! I would appreciate your opinion! I forgot to tell you the distance between here and AL is 350 miles!
Thanks,
Leo

 

[LD1]

If you were towing commercially, the 20k. Rating would be an issue, because I am sure the gvwr on tor truck is probably well over 6k.

So the gvwr is well over 26k.

Remember, it ain't what the load weighs. It's the combination is rated to weigh at its max.

 

[RedNeckRacin]

Just because it's personal use doesn't mean you can throw the ratings out the window either once you get over the 26k GCWR with an over 10k trailer you STILL need a class A.

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[Midniteoyl]

Just because it's personal use doesn't mean you can throw the ratings out the window either once you get over the 26k GCWR with an over 10k trailer you STILL need a class A.

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Not all states give out Noncommercial Class A's.. Types of Driver's Licenses - AAA Digest of Motor Laws

Remember, we were talking about CDL's here, which are commercial, not any other requirements a state may require, though it probably is a good idea to know what your state requires.