Applying for jobs and scheduling interviews????

[TheMan419]

Interestingly I am in kind of the opposite position at this point. I am trying to hire someone to be my "administrative assistant" (what we used to call secretary, but that is now apparently sexist).

I am getting a TON of resumes where there are one of two things (or both) that turn me off:

1. No experience in the specific field I am in. Yes that field is specified in the job posting.
2. Person moves from job to job every year or less.

In my field the needs for an administrative assistant are pretty specific. Also even if you have a ton of prior experience in the industry it will take you 6 months or a year to learn how our office does things and how I do things to become more efficient at being my assistant.

The last assistant I had worked for me for 9.5 years.

So I end up rejecting a TON of applicants because they have worked 7 different jobs in the last 6 years and are all unrelated to my industry and are not secretarial related.

Finally the other one that I see a bit of is someone applying for this job while being in school for a field completely unrelated to the one I am hiring for. Like I don't realize the minute you get your degree you are going on to that "better" job.

All in all OP, no offense, but if you called with that attitude your resume would end up in the circular file.

 

[LD1]

May I ask what attitude that is?

Simpling wanting to get some pretty important information related to the job prior to taking a day off, hiring a babysitter, and making the drive to show up for an interview....all to get the info than can be revealed in 5min on the phone. Info that was left out of the help wanted ad.

Why is it so wrong to want to know the work schedule, shift, retirement, benefits, pay, etc before wasting time on an interview?

A company is clearly interested in me based on my resume. Which has my education, experience, and work history. Same things I am gonna say in my interview. So an interview is merely a formality to get to know me personally and if I am a good fit for the company. But jumping to that step I feel is putting the cart before the horse, if the position is not a fit for me.

If they would simply put that info regarding shift, benefits, pay, etc on their ad....I could have already made that decision and then choose to apply or not. By not disclosing that info, I have to apply just to get those answers....which I am sorry, I need those answers before I re-arrange my schedule to be able to ask you in person. If you can't answer them over the phone, I'm I'm no lo get interested

 

[Citydude]

I'm in agreement with LD1. When our HR department advertised an employment opportunity for my department, I wanted information included that potential employees would need to know to make a decision on to apply or not apply. With that, the majority of the respondents had the qualifications, knew the pay scale, benefit package and shift requirements.

Being vague on an employment posting would create the very thing LD is experiencing. Phone calls that are time consuming for the company and potential loss of a good candidate being frustrated by those phone calls.

 

[ultrarunner]

In medical salary is right at the top of the posting... especially for RN and Techs...

People do work their way up the Corp Ladder... my first Hospital CEO started as a RN decades prior.

The current Regional Director started as a transcriptionist in High School as a part time job... she is now over all the Hospital Administrators... it is interesting to work with someone as peers and then time goes by and they are your boss's boss...

In some ways medical is a close community... maybe different that other fields...

The pay is really just about all the same... the difference is in the benefits offered... like entire family covered on Health Insurance or lifetime medical after 20 years service, etc...

We still lose nurses and it is not on pay... it's all about the benefit package.

 

[LD1]

I'm in agreement with LD1. When our HR department advertised an employment opportunity for my department, I wanted information included that potential employees would need to know to make a decision on to apply or not apply. With that, the majority of the respondents had the qualifications, knew the pay scale, benefit package and shift requirements.

Being vague on an employment posting would create the very thing LD is experiencing. Phone calls that are time consuming for the company and potential loss of a good candidate being frustrated by those phone calls.

Exactly.

Some postings have it all. The list the shift, hours, benefits, pension or not, 401k match amount, a pay range that usually states DOE, etc.

The postings that are vague.....only list what the company is looking for in a candidate, with no regard to what a candidate may be looking for in a company.

A company gives a list of qualifications and requirements that I must meet to be considered. Do they ever think that maybe I have a list of qualifications and requirements that must be met for me to still be interested?

Does a company waste time interviewing people that don't meet the requirements they publish? What's so taboo about me not wanting to waste my time either if the company doesn't meet mine?

Sometimes I just wanna say " I'm sorry, I didn't apply for your opening because I am desperate to come work for you. I only applied because you left out all the information that is important to me, so my application was in hopes I'd get to talk to someone and ask some relevant queations and get some answers. Then and only then, if your company meets mine and my families requirements, would I be interested in a face to face."

 

[300UGUY]

In medical salary is right at the top of the posting... especially for RN and Techs...

People do work their way up the Corp Ladder... my first Hospital CEO started as a RN decades prior.

The current Regional Director started as a transcriptionist in High School as a part time job... she is now over all the Hospital Administrators... it is interesting to work with someone as peers and then time goes by and they are your boss's boss...

In some ways medical is a close community... maybe different that other fields...

The pay is really just about all the same... the difference is in the benefits offered... like entire family covered on Health Insurance or lifetime medical after 20 years service, etc...

We still lose nurses and it is not on pay... it's all about the benefit package.

Pretty unusual these days. Most companies are now run by MBA's. In the auto industry, even 1st level supervisors are required to have a degree. Often, engineers, if they are on the promotional track, will be required to have been a production supervisor, maintenance supervisor, and a matierals coordinator - So even the 1st step supervisors are engineers. Hourly folks without degrees aren't even considered for salary jobs. The days of going from the production floor to the executive suite are long gone.

 

[drdoolittle]

Not necessarily. I know a couple of national companies that have started removing the degree requirement for salary/management because the "degreed" folks don't have the experience or real knowledge that the folks from the floor have. I'm also seeing more and more job posting where the degree is only a preference, not required because of similar issues as well.

 

[ultrarunner]

My first job after college was engineering in a Tool and Die firm... I was their first grad and I was really impressed by some of the senior talent... some learned in Germany and Switzerland and came up through the ranks.

The RN that became CEO was a tough old gal if she wanted to be... no one, but no one could dress down a Doctor like she could.. and they took it and she could swear like a sailor... no one was going to come into her "House" and not follow the rules!

The gal that is regional administrator earned her Bachelor and MBA while we worked together... she also has just about every specialized credential and certification for her field... she went back to school at age 39 as her youngest started High School... the kind of person that thinks nothing of working 7 days a week... I still get memos sent at 2 am or today on Sunday twice... when she is here there are 3 active computers and two cell phones... I really don't know how she is able to multi-task like she does at 61... her mom is 91 and teaches aerobics at the senior center... good genes I guess.

 

[quicksandfarmer]

I've done some hiring.

A lot of people who have a job aren't really interested in a new job, they're looking for leverage to go to their current boss and demand a raise. Making an offer to someone like that is lose-lose. If they're good, their current boss will match your offer and you just wasted your time -- and possibly let some real candidates get away. If their current boss lets them go, there's probably a reason for that, and you just acquired someone else's problem.

So you learn to screen out people who you don't think are serious. As a job-seeker, it's important that you not come across that way.

 

[LD1]

I've done some hiring.

A lot of people who have a job aren't really interested in a new job, they're looking for leverage to go to their current boss and demand a raise. Making an offer to someone like that is lose-lose. If they're good, their current boss will match your offer and you just wasted your time -- and possibly let some real candidates get away. If their current boss lets them go, there's probably a reason for that, and you just acquired someone else's problem.

So you learn to screen out people who you don't think are serious. As a job-seeker, it's important that you not come across that way.

I do not know how I come across honestly. If I find a better job, using it for leverage is NOT my intent. About the only thing that can possibly change at my job is my pay. They aren't gonna give me dayshift ahead of a lot of others, or give me a pension or better match on 401k and not the other hundreds of employees, and they certainly ain't gonna relocate their facility closer to my house.

I apply because I am legitimately interested. But depending on the level of details in their wanted posting, I may interested in a job......or may only be interested in more information. Depending on that information....I may or may not be no longer interested.

But at this point, the only way I know how to get the info I require to make a decision, is by applying and waiting on a call.