Flu vaccination, yes or no.

   / Flu vaccination, yes or no. #81  
we have never had the flu shot
I feel keeping our bodies immune system up to par is the way to go.
the body is an amazing vehicle if given the proper fuel and care it needs..
I agree there are some shots that necessary like the tetanus shot. but when it comes to the flu shot???..
NO Thank You..
and I also disagree to making it mandatory!..I feel we should have that choice no matter where we work..
BIG PHARMA is out for one thing.. to make money..
yes the shots are FREE.. but what is going to happen down the road???
just my 2 cents worth.
 
   / Flu vaccination, yes or no. #82  
We are quarantined right now in our hospital. 5 confirmed cases out of a 25 bed unit. Not one person who got this years shot has gotten the flu. We are required to get the shot or wear a mask all winter. I don't like the shot, but I take it, makes my am hurt for a few days. I could not wear a mask. Only had the flu once , don't want it again
 
   / Flu vaccination, yes or no. #83  
I'm a tough guy maybe the last of em. I did get my shingles shot but decided stay back on the flue shot for a couple weeks. Then I forgot. No biggy never get the flue and now being retired I don't work around the critter people anymore. So I didn't get the flue......till a week before Thanksgiving. Just sat around all week felt crummy. Didn't even puke once but it was close a few times and I slid in to the bathroom like I was stealing home plate a time or two as well. Ate much of nothing just guzzled water and managed to lose 5 lbs or so. So what does Mr Flue do but just switch hit me right to a pleasant dose of Bronchitis or something like it. So I just I cough happily through Christmas and New Years all in all sick enough to just hang around a solid month. I did see some interesting documentaries and good and crap movies on Dish and even found the fabled end of the internet web a couple times.
The good part is I am retired and it;s Winter and nasty out so I didn't miss much really other than barking like a damned dog for a month and in the end lost at least 10 lbs which I could do without anyway. So no I didn't because I'm a tough guy :confused2:(stupid moron) and I damned sure will next year.:mur:
 
   / Flu vaccination, yes or no. #84  
+1. I evaded one in the military back in 1955. Sick as a dog a month later. Never skipped one since.

I get the flu shot very Autumn... I don't get the flu and rarely even a common cold (sniffel-ous at worst :))

Mind you, after 40+ years of Navy service, I'm a bloody pin-cushion from all of the shots I've received. To the point that I'm half way through my second Vaccination Record Book.
 
   / Flu vaccination, yes or no. #85  
Y'all get em if that floats your boat , not for me . Many in the medical field are now saying its a scam.
 
   / Flu vaccination, yes or no. #86  
Well, I've not missed a flu shot in thirty years or so. I guess being a board certified infectious diseases physician gives me a bit of an unusual perspective. I see what happens when "just the flu" goes bad. To know that there was a good chance of preventing such bad outcomes simply by getting the flu shot makes it a no brainer for me. I wonder if folks who don't get them also choose not to wear seatbelts.
 
   / Flu vaccination, yes or no. #87  
Y'all get em if that floats your boat , not for me . Many in the medical field are now saying its a scam.

Sorry but that is "fake news". No responsible physician would ever call the flu vaccine a "scam". There is plenty of solid data supporting the use of the annual vaccine. It isn't 100% effective but neither are seatbelts and airbags.
 
   / Flu vaccination, yes or no. #88  
Isn't it true the vaccine for any given year is at best a guess of what strain(s) may be a problem?

Every year the Bay Area media here in California also hypes the reports saying this year is on track to be the worst ever... just like fire season or half a dozen other things.

As a physician you know vaccines do get recalled and there is always a chance... no matter how small of an adverse reaction... anyone that doubts this only need read the manufacturer's vaccine literature and it is clearly spelled out.

My objection is being told point blank, roll up your sleeve and take the shot... with not so much as the opportunity to ask a question...

It might work in the military but administering contracts and overseeing facility maintenance is not the same as patient care.

I do use seat belts all the time in my vehicles which have them and only one of my vehicles has airbags...

No qualms about taking my 1905 Horseless Carriage on the road a couple of times annually... it is a risk I've accepted.
 
   / Flu vaccination, yes or no. #89  
Yes, the vaccine changes every year as the prevalent strains of flu change on an annual basis. We cannot precisely predict the next years strain but the CDC is pretty good at it. I forget the actual numbers but they get it exactly right more than half the time and even when not exactly right the next years strain can be close enough that some benefit is derived from vaccination. Think of it as forecasting the weather on Wednesday for the next weekend. The weatherman might not always nail it but it still seems reasonable to take precautions if a hurricane is predicted. Think of the CDC "guesstimate" of which flu strains to put into next years vaccine as similar to those graphic percentage chance that a hurricane will hit a particular point on the shoreline. They use the best forecasting models available and it is certainly better than not forecasting at all. The vaccine companies wouldn't make a vaccine at all if CDC didn't make those predictions.

The media hype each year is mostly to encourage people to get off their butts and get the vaccine. Same as other public service campaigns that often stretch the truth or focus on worst case scenarios. They learned the technique from the Madison Ave advertisers and the Weather Channel. Sadly CDC hasn't learned all the lessons yet as they haven't brought out boobalicious babes in tight fitting sweaters to make the pitch for vaccination.

Vaccines are WAY safer than the public seems to think. The 24/7 news cycle loves exaggerating vaccine stories almost as much as hyping hurricanes. For starters, the hundreds of millions of vaccine doses that cause no issues are never reported on and no congressman calls an investigation to determine why little Johnny didn't get the flu. No Hollywood stars trot their kids out to show how healthy they are. There are no rumor mills on the interweb extolling the virtues of a fully vaccinated child who didn't miss school. To put vaccine safety into perspective, think about the number of deaths or severe injury due to vaccines each year compared to the number of deaths caused by toddlers with guns or kids riding bikes or Thanksgiving drive to grandma's house. Not even close. There are very very rare deaths and almost all of them make major news stories nationwide. The more problematic and very false accusation is related to autism or other rare illnesses that just happen to be diagnosed within a month or so of a child receiving a vaccine. This has been looked at in many careful studies that are easily available on line. None of the studies show a relationship between autism and vaccines. The first study that reported such an association used intentionally false data. The British doctor that published that paper was subsequently convicted and had his license taken away (he now lives in Texas where he is the darling of the anti vax crowd). The basic problem is that people (our dear president just provided an example during his campaign) make a causal association between a vaccination and some health event when there is in reality only a spurious or random association. No single case can be absolutely ruled out but by looking carefully at thousands it is possible to conclude that the associations are simply random, not causally related. If I ate cheerios for breakfast and then have an accident on the way to work, was it the cheerios fault??

The immune system seems a mystery to many folks as there is no solid organ one can point to. It is also still not completely understood or understood as well as muscles or liver or bone so folks can have some pretty wild ideas about how immunity works. The notion that "putting too many vaccines into a child" is going to "overload" the immune system fails to consider the fact that our immune system deals with many thousands of antigens and potential pathogens at the same time every single day. Giving it a few more antigens/vaccines to chew on is no more work than tossing an extra box of Kleenex into the trunk of your car on a shopping trip. You cannot "overload" the immune system very easily at all. There are a few very specific exceptions (a few live viral vaccines interfere with others so are given separately).

Regarding mandatory vaccines, there are a few examples where it just makes sense but generally the public should be encouraged rather than required to be vaccinated. Healthcare workers need to be vaccinated as they work with very vulnerable people who might die if a healthcare worker transmits a virus like flu. School kids need to be vaccinated against illnesses like measles, mumps and polio that we know caused great harm before being brought under control by vaccines through herd immunity. It is sad that vaccination, which has provided YUGE public health benefits over the past century is being attacked at least partially because people no longer live in fear of the diseases that are now vaccine controlled. My grandfather died when my mother was 3. He died of diphtheria, a disease that has essentially been wiped out in the US by vaccination with the "dreaded" DTP vaccine.
 
   / Flu vaccination, yes or no. #90  
The more problematic and very false accusation is related to autism or other rare illnesses that just happen to be diagnosed within a month or so of a child receiving a vaccine. This has been looked at in many careful studies that are easily available on line. None of the studies show a relationship between autism and vaccines.
Except for those like a sibling of mine who got vaccinated on one day and the next, it was like they were a different person...
They are now an adult, but are well behind their physical age.
My kids have been vaccinated, but from single dose vials vs multiple dose ones (our Dr suggested that as there are reportedly less/different preservatives in a single dose vials than in a multi dose one) and they get their shots at the Dr rather than at the Hospital when they are born.

Aaron Z
 

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