buying 1st first tractor, L4701 or mx5200...or?

[MtnViewRanch]

Way overpriced by New England standards. Implements and tractor.

Also, I don't understand need for hydraulic scarifiers.

Sort of like you and your grapple, you use it all the time. If you used rippers as much as you use your grapple, I would think that you would want non manual actuated rippers also.

I hardly ever use my grapple. I would go as far as to say that I don't really even need it. But it sure is nice to have the few times that I have made use of it.

I don't say, why do people need grapples? Why not just carry the brush in the loader bucket?

You guys that don't have top & tilt sets, how do you get any type of grading done without them?

Same sort of thing, once you have it and make use of it, you wonder how you, or anyone gets by without (fill in the blank) feature.

Yes it costs $$$, pretty much everything does if you want to be productive at whatever it is that you are doing.

Just my :2cents:

 

[IslandTractor]

Sort of like you and your grapple, you use it all the time. If you used rippers as much as you use your grapple, I would think that you would want non manual actuated rippers also.

I hardly ever use my grapple. I would go as far as to say that I don't really even need it. But it sure is nice to have the few times that I have made use of it.

I don't say, why do people need grapples? Why not just carry the brush in the loader bucket?

You guys that don't have top & tilt sets, how do you get any type of grading done without them?

Same sort of thing, once you have it and make use of it, you wonder how you, or anyone gets by without (fill in the blank) feature.

Yes it costs $$$, pretty much everything does if you want to be productive at whatever it is that you are doing.

Just my :2cents:

My point was that I haven't seen the OP post anything to suggest he will be using a boxblade enough to justify the added expense of hydraulic scarifiers. Certainly someone might benefit from that option but as most folks seem happy to save a grand or more and use manual boxblades it is just something for him to think about.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

IT, you are correct, the OP has not been clear as far as what all he needs to do. But as we know, that seems to be a reoccurring theme with people that ask new tractor questions. I think that often times they don't actually know them selves. They just know that they need-want something.

 

[mike69440]

So I think we are all seeing a trend here....that tractor prices are through the roof in my 300 mile area, and a lot of the dealers are getting away with it...maybe that's just how it is now...

Regarding the John Deere, how would y'all rate that tractor? Is the 4052R more tractor than the kubota MX5200? It certainly has way more options, as I have it configured above, it has joystick loader operations real close by the fender. But I think I could also have the lever mounted on the loader like the 'Bota. All in the packaging I guess. Maybe it's more fair to compare this one to the Grand L..

There is a lot of plastic, the hood and fenders though.

I would *think* having hydraulic anything makes work to be done more proficient. Id rather have it now than add something later.. Thank you.

Yes, I looked at the specs, seems closer to a Grand L. The H180 loader overall is just a bit stronger bucket center.

Give Dave's tractor a call.

Dave's Tractor, Inc - Home
I have corresponded with Dave on this forum and he seems really straight forward and honest.

He has a special or a Branson 3515R, a 3000 lb bare tractor for under $19K. (About 80% of the weight of the tractors your looking at.)
12F/12R 4 speed syncro, so it ought to shift ok. Branson Tractors - 3515R
That includes a loader that has 85% of the capacity of the loaders of the tractors you have been considering.

You could get a lot of implements and still have some cash left with $19,000 Tractor.

 

[IslandTractor]

IT, you are correct, the OP has not been clear as far as what all he needs to do. But as we know, that seems to be a reoccurring theme with people that ask new tractor questions. I think that often times they don't actually know them selves. They just know that they need-want something.

Yes, and noobies are vulnerable to dealers suggesting purchase of more expensive equipment than is really necessary even when likely future needs are considered. For someone maintaining a quarter mile dirt driveway I could see where a hydraulic boxblade could make sense but for those of us who use a BB occasionally on projects it would make more sense to save some $$$ that could be applied to other implements. Same point on the grapple the dealer recommended. They could almost certainly do better with a simple economy grapple and save another $800-1000.

 

[mike69440]

Yes, and noobies are vulnerable to dealers suggesting purchase of more expensive equipment than is really necessary even when likely future needs are considered. For someone maintaining a quarter mile dirt driveway I could see where a hydraulic boxblade could make sense but for those of us who use a BB occasionally on projects it would make more sense to save some $$$ that could be applied to other implements. Same point on the grapple the dealer recommended. They could almost certainly do better with a simple economy grapple and save another $800-1000.

I have a 1/4 mile driveway and consider its maintenance just is considered a little minor chore. Hydraulic box blade is not needed unless you are commercial user. Top and tilt would be nice, but you get by without too.
The OP ought to be looking on TractorHouse.com | 4 HP To 99 HP Tractors For Sale - 12193 Listings
Really how often do you need a dealer with a tractor? Just because you did not buy it from a shop, does not mean they will turn you away when you need service. money is money.
None of my stuff has been bought from the dealers I get parts and service. They know me and my story and I gave them the chance. 3 of our 4 pieces of equipment were bought out of state. NY, Vermont, and Pennsylvania 2 bought new, two bought used.

 

[Turbys_1700]

I'm fortunate to have several good dealers in my local area and extremely fortunate to have one two miles from my job. If I was in a remote area with little competition I would certainly investigate a long distance purchase. Most of the time major issues are never incurred but occasional issues can arise from time to time. The more complex the machine the more possible issues that can arise. When I bought my tractor I waited and purchased the grapple, third function valve, and other implements later with cash. Buying implements used off Craigslist has saved my some serious $$$ but you have to be patient and jump when the opportunity arises.

Good luck with your decision and keep us informed with your choice.

 

[art]

Gentlemen, I have another question. The Kubota Grand L 5460 is $100 more a month, (72 months) everything else being the same. Vs the MX5200.

The Mx gets the LA 1065 loader, the grand L 5460 gets the LA 1055 loader.

It looks like the grand L with 1055 has a little bit more lift capacity all across the board, however I was told it's a lighter duty loader/tractor or has "less steel" I should say... The specs say otherwise ...unless I'm wrong...

The weight between the 2 from the pamphlet: mx 5200 3716 lbs. grand L 5460: 4023. Pto lift @ 24" behind lift point is mx5200: 2310 lbs. Grand L 5460: 2980 lbs.

Is the grand L a little more tractor? Worth the extra 7 grand?

You have to drive them! There is a lot of difference with the auto throttle which is about all that I use for loader work with the engine speed button on the loader level you can adjust it for the moment needed to respond faster with loader operation. Both are solid tractor designs but the Grand L is un-matched for overall performance.

 

[newbury]

Does the Massey quoted REALLY have only a Cat 1 hitch? Seems pretty wimpy for an almost 60HP tractor.

 

[mopardude318]

My point was that I haven't seen the OP post anything to suggest he will be using a boxblade enough to justify the added expense of hydraulic scarifiers. Certainly someone might benefit from that option but as most folks seem happy to save a grand or more and use manual boxblades it is just something for him to think about.

my driveway is actually closer 3/4 of a mile, its pretty beat up. it hasnt been maintained so theres pot holes, dips, etc. its not a flat, straight piece of road. with this tractor, id like to rip the thing, scrape and level. then hope fully ill be able to spread 1/2" gravel 4 inches thick. then just stay on top of it. I dont know if that is enough to justify a need for a hydraulic box, but i think itll be nice to have.

IT, you are correct, the OP has not been clear as far as what all he needs to do. But as we know, that seems to be a reoccurring theme with people that ask new tractor questions. I think that often times they don't actually know them selves. They just know that they need-want something.

you are right, being new its hard to figure out exactly what I need, but I think it would be wise to get everything in the beginning as far as hydraulics go, top-n-tilt, 3 remotes, & 3rd function.