Do you like foxes living near your house.......

   / Do you like foxes living near your house....... #91  
I don't want to go at all! :)

I know I've told about killing several hundred moles on here many times. When I first started, I was very displeased with several of the traps, as I'd find moles in them still alive. Worst was the Nash choker loop traps like these....
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I'd find the mole flailing away in there almost always. Sometimes I'd even find the trap 10' away with the mole dragging it around. I tried a few other types, and the one that I found kills them the quickest is the Victor Out O Sight mole traps like this...
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Out of 300+ moles, I think I found TWO that were just pinched on the outside of the trap. The rest were DEAD. The two that were pinched were just by the skin, so I let them go. I figured they'd earned it.


So after all them moles you still have a soft spot for them? Those two now share the secret of the trap. LOL.

Looks like stolen tech from the Conibear line of traps.
 
   / Do you like foxes living near your house....... #92  
That bear and any foxes don't even say anything to one another as they cross paths.
Actually, I know that and have seen that, but thought I'd post a picture taken last week of one our numerous back yard visitors.

What has killed and driven most of the remaining foxes out of our area are the coyotes. We never had coyotes years ago, now it is impossible to get rid of them.

Here's an interesting article about PA coyotes and cross breeding:

Pennsylvania coyotes have a bit of the wolf in their background | PennLive.com
 
   / Do you like foxes living near your house....... #93  
Are there any studies that show numbers for coy wolf. As I stated, the only study with numbers was mid ninety percent for dna from coyote. Size was nutrition related. On side note American Buffalo have similar mixed DNA
 
   / Do you like foxes living near your house....... #94  
Are there any studies that show numbers for coy wolf. As I stated, the only study with numbers was mid ninety percent for dna from coyote. Size was nutrition related. On side note American Buffalo have similar mixed DNA

We (humans) share 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees... Are you suggesting that sharing just 90% is not significant?

HUMANS and dogs share 84% of our DNA! Crazy huh?
 
   / Do you like foxes living near your house....... #95  
So after all them moles you still have a soft spot for them? Those two now share the secret of the trap. LOL.

Looks like stolen tech from the Conibear line of traps.

I just don't like killing them for no reason. They caused a lot of expensive property damage besides the pool. Sidewalks undermined, driveway cracked many times, water under foundations. Really, the only way to control them is to either trap them, or eliminate their food source. And contrary to everything you'll hear, while they do eat grubs, their main source of food is earthworms. So you have a choice... trap them, or poison your lawn and drinking water (we have a shallow aquifer). I don't enjoy it, but I'm very good at it our of necessity.
 
   / Do you like foxes living near your house....... #96  
We (humans) share 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees... Are you suggesting that sharing just 90% is not significant?

HUMANS and dogs share 84% of our DNA! Crazy huh?
I am sure coyotes wolves and dogs share a large amount of DNA
The number I listed were mid nineties for pure coyote DNA with minimal dog and wolf mixed in.
Several posters were calling coywolf mixes in their area. The references say some wolf or dog mixed in, none list percentage of mixture.
 
   / Do you like foxes living near your house....... #97  
I'd find the mole flailing away in there almost always. Sometimes I'd even find the trap 10' away with the mole dragging it around. I tried a few other types, and the one that I found kills them the quickest is the Victor Out O Sight mole traps like this...
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Out of 300+ moles, I think I found TWO that were just pinched on the outside of the trap. The rest were DEAD. The two that were pinched were just by the skin, so I let them go. I figured they'd earned it.

I have a couple of that style scissor traps and have caught more than I have fingers, but I am not as successful I would like. I guess I don't have the placement technique correct. To date though, everyone I caught was dead... no maims.

I just don't like killing them for no reason. They caused a lot of expensive property damage besides the pool. Sidewalks undermined, driveway cracked many times, water under foundations. Really, the only way to control them is to either trap them, or eliminate their food source. And contrary to everything you'll hear, while they do eat grubs, their main source of food is earthworms. So you have a choice... trap them, or poison your lawn and drinking water (we have a shallow aquifer). I don't enjoy it, but I'm very good at it our of necessity.
I have found that unfortunately, but fairly effective, is putting down an insect killer on the lawn. It sure does reduce the traffic below! I don't use chemicals on all my grass but the prime areas where I trying to minimize damage and keep it looking intact, I occasionally do... but I also don't have kids or animals running/playing on the grass around treatment.
 
   / Do you like foxes living near your house....... #98  
I have a couple of that style scissor traps and have caught more than I have fingers, but I am not as successful I would like. I guess I don't have the placement technique correct. To date though, everyone I caught was dead... no maims.....

What I like about the out o sight traps is that you can set them at any depth, and in almost any soil conditions, with fine or sandy soil being the hardest, because as the mole digs under the trigger pan, the sand falls away.

What works best for me is to never trap the areas that look like wrinkled up carpet or never trap the mole hills. The wrinkled up carpet is where the mole is just rummaging around right under the sod and you can almost never guarantee he'll be back to where your trap is. And mole hills are vertical tunnels where moles just push up excess soil to get it out of their tunnels. It'll trip the trap well before the mole's body gets anywhere near the trap.

So I look for longer sections of tunnel, and use my heel to press a good indentation into the tunnel about every 10' or so. When I check the next day, if the indentations I made are gone, I know that's an active tunnel, and that's where I set my trap. I use marking flags to keep track of my indentations...
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I make two cuts perpendicular to the tunnel at the width of the trap, and pull out the sod plug. Then I dig down till I find the tunnel, just removing soil to the bottom of the tunnel, so I end up with a rectangular box going down with a half pipe of the tunnel for the bottom. Then I replace the sod plug pressed down firmly against the half pipe, making sure to barely cover the open tunnels on each end of the box. Then I set the trap and safety, and use the setting bars to lower the trap down against the sod plug, with the jaws straddling each open tunnel area. I usually push it down till the trigger trips, then reset it. Being careful to keep a grip on those setting bars!

So now we have a sod plug set firmly against the bottom of the tunnel, and the trap trigger set firmly against the sod plug, and the jaws straddling each tunnel opening on either side of our dirt box.

If the mole comes from either direction, he senses the tunnel has collapsed, and sees a bit of light coming in. So he pokes under the sod plug to lift it up and re-open the tunnel while closing off the light. As he scoots forward between the scissors jaws, when is front paws and head get near the trigger, it pushes up the sod plug, trips the trigger, and the jaws close around the center of his body. It's enough force to break human skin and bones, so it's enough to kill the mole quickly in most instances. Which is what I'm after.

Anyhow, moles are pretty amazing critters. I've read they have twice the number of red blood cells per ML as humans, so they can survive in lower oxygen conditions. If a mole was 6' tall, it could walk between parked cars and shove them apart. And they don't hibernate. They just go deeper, down to the level where the food isn't frozen.
 
   / Do you like foxes living near your house....... #99  
Wow Moss! Thanks... I'm back on a mission. Still will need to read over the trap setting part again a few times. Not sure I understood the part...

Then I replace the sod plug pressed down firmly against the half pipe, making sure to barely cover the open tunnels on each end of the box. Then I set the trap and safety, and use the setting bars to lower the trap down against the sod plug, with the jaws straddling each open tunnel area.
 
   / Do you like foxes living near your house....... #100  
I love it when a thread subject of foxes turns to mole traps. It makes it so easy to do a search later. ;-)
 

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