Ruger or Glock

[RSKY]

I am about to give up my search. I love the Kahr. It shoots well and has been as dependable as a rock, firing anything I put in it. I initially chose it because of the feel in my hand and the fact it had a 4" barrel instead of the 3' to 3.5" most other 'carry' 9mm had. But the Glock 43 probably outsells all the other subcompact 9mm put together. And so there are more holsters and other accessories available for it. I have exchanged e-mails with a couple companies and they do not intend to make holsters to fit the Kahr.

I may trade for the Glock. Or I may keep the Kahr for my wife and purchase the Glock (with factory night sights) outright. I have not made up my mind.

After talking to salesmen at several gunstores I have heard the same things repeated over and over about the Glock. Reliability. No failures. Shoots any ammo. No break in period.

With one or two exceptions all the armed clerks in the gunstores were carrying Glocks.

Hmmm.....what should I buy?

RSKY

 

[Sigarms]

CZ-USA CZ 275 RAMI BD - CZ-USA

It's a double stack, but you'd never know it.

Double action first pull, SA after that with decocker.

My current CZ has over 1,000 rounds through her without one failure of any kind with an array of various ammo. First CZ on my end, very impressed with the gun.

Glocks are great guns, but like all other good designs, they do have failure to feed issues from time to time dependant on a whole range of variables. For some reason people think there is no way they can malfunction with any type of ammo.

 

[Sigarms]

Now I find myself in a situation where for one morning a week I will be helping provide security for a large group of people. Every emphasis will be put on a non-violent end to confrontations but if I have to stand between an active shooter and my entire extended family in a place they cannot run I want more than a 380.

When I go to church, I don't expect people to protect me, that's why I carry in church:laughing:

 

[dmccarty]

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After talking to salesmen at several gunstores I have heard the same things repeated over and over about the Glock. Reliability. No failures. Shoots any ammo. No break in period.

With one or two exceptions all the armed clerks in the gunstores were carrying Glocks.

Hmmm.....what should I buy?

RSKY

One of my employer's just transitioned from S&W to Glocks. We had S&W's for decades and decades jbut the last S&W, an M&P 45, had mucho extractor problems that S&W tried multiple times to fix, and seemingly did so, but the situation left some with not feeling confident about the pistol. If I remember right, the testing for a new duty weapon had the latest M&P just as reliable as the Glock but the Glock was chosen because of the extractor issue/fiasco. Now, these are Glock 17's, not a 43, but I know quite a few people who carry a Glock 43 as a secondary weapon and/or off duty.

I would rather carry the S&W M&P 45 instead of a Glock 17 but I think a big part of the decision to switch was due to the extra ammo one can carry, 31 rounds vs 52. Lets not go down the rabbit hole of 45 vs 9mm since you have made your decision as has my employer. :laughing::laughing::laughing: However, one of the justifications made in our ammo change was that what was most important in stopping a deadly force incident was shot placement, duh, and multiple hits...

I personally would be nervous having a weapons that only carry 7 rounds when one is actively protecting others. Over the years I have heard/read that LEO's in shooting incidents hit with 30% or 50% of their rounds fired. With a seven round capacity that gives one 2-4 rounds hitting the bad guy. Which should be sufficient but if there are more than one bad guy things start to get iffier. And there are other reasons one might need more than a couple of hits on each the bad guy.

One thing we noticed about the Glock 17 was that it was very sensitive to trigger finger placement compared to our M&P 45. EVERYONE qualifying was shooting left, far left, as we started shooting. We really had to adjust the finger placement on the trigger to get rounds in the center of the target. Having said that, there were only a couple of people out of several hundred that failed to qualify first time through. Which was a MUCH smaller number than using the M&P 45. If you do buy a Glock, you might want to buy an extra box or two of ammo to practice a bit more than expected.

Later,
Dan

 

[Sigarms]

I personally would be nervous having a weapons that only carry 7 rounds when one is actively protecting others.

That's a rabbit hole unto itself

I also can't believe you would post something that would put Glock in a negative light compared to another firearm that wouldn't make the Glock seem like the perfect sidearm!

Personally, if someone is new to shooting, needing to pull the trigger prior to field stripping would never be my first choice to begin with.

This is sad, but one of the first things that came up with googlefu...

Husband takes responsibility for wife's accidental shooting - KXLY

From the story don't know if the initial trigger pull to strip the glock caused the accident, but enough people end up with ND's to begin with field stripping ANY weapon. Make it madatory to pull the trigger to initiate the cleaning process and I can only see ND's increasing.

 

[Peter 315]

CZ-USA CZ 275 RAMI BD - CZ-USA

It's a double stack, but you'd never know it.

Double action first pull, SA after that with decocker.

My current CZ has over 1,000 rounds through her without one failure of any kind with an array of various ammo. First CZ on my end, very impressed with the gun.

Glocks are great guns, but like all other good designs, they do have failure to feed issues from time to time dependant on a whole range of variables. For some reason people think there is no way they can malfunction with any type of ammo.

I have a cz p-01 over 1000 rounds very nice gun:thumbsup:

 

[Teachu2]

CZ-USA CZ 275 RAMI BD - CZ-USA

It's a double stack, but you'd never know it.

Double action first pull, SA after that with decocker.

My current CZ has over 1,000 rounds through her without one failure of any kind with an array of various ammo. First CZ on my end, very impressed with the gun.

Glocks are great guns, but like all other good designs, they do have failure to feed issues from time to time dependant on a whole range of variables. For some reason people think there is no way they can malfunction with any type of ammo.

I've owned 13 Glock pistols so far. Ten were purchased new, three were used. I have never experienced a failure to feed from any of them, yet I have witnessed others shoot them and have problems. Every time, it was from practice ammo combined with poor control (aka limp-wristing). Never witnessed one happen with mid-power ammo, regardless of grip/wrist. With duty ammo, including very wide, blunt hollowpoints, I am unable to induce a failure without using the mag release.

I grew up hating Glocks, but if I had to walk into a store and buy a handgun to fight my way home with, untested, it would be a Glock. If I had to choose a single handgun to own for the rest of my life, it would be a Glock 19. If I were moving to a free state, I'd probably sell our Shields in CA and buy Glock 43s after the move. I own many guns that I enjoy more than the Glocks, but none that are as dependable. Shake the mud out of them and you are good to go.

 

[Sigarms]

I own many guns that I enjoy more than the Glocks, but none that are as dependable. Shake the mud out of them and you are good to go.

In all honesty, you can do the exact same thing with many of my older Sigs. For some reason, people think Glocks are the only sidearms that can go through a "tourture test" and still function.

Don't get me wrong, was out this morning my "new" G19, and I'm really digging that undercut gives me per the grip feel, and I'm really starting to like it, just realize that with ANY particular firearm, you run the chance of a failure to feed.

 

[Teachu2]

In all honesty, you can do the exact same thing with many of my older Sigs. For some reason, people think Glocks are the only sidearms that can go through a "tourture test" and still function.

Don't get me wrong, was out this morning my "new" G19, and I'm really digging that undercut gives me per the grip feel, and I'm really starting to like it, just realize that with ANY particular firearm, you run the chance of a failure to feed.

Yes, but Sigs are not in this particular conservation (nor his budget), and neither are Shields. Just the Ruger LC9s and the Glock 43. Of those two, I'd go Glock.

 

[Sigarms]

Yes, but Sigs are not in this particular conservation (nor his budget), and neither are Shields. Just the Ruger LC9s and the Glock 43. Of those two, I'd go Glock.

Agreed, but I'm now sold on the cut on the trigger guard on the Glock! (at least for myself).

That said, you could still find a P6 for under $500 (I'm still kicking myself for not buying 2 at the $295 price tag years ago because I couldn't justify getting 2 at the same time). P6 is single stack, 9MM double action (SA after first shot).