Tractor Sizing Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft

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The YT359C is an excellent machine with an excellent iHMT transmission. Ordinarily, I'd recommend a non-turbo motor for simplicity; however, at your elevation I recommend a turbo motor. The larger Kubota Grand L's, including the L6060 are superb machines with turbo motors. A Grand L would be an excellent choice.
 
   / Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft #23  
Questions for everyone:

1. HST vs geared transmission, preference or am I missing something big not having a manual transmission in my conditions?
2. Anything valuable for mid-PTO use besides an under carriage mower? Looks like a few references to certain snow blowers, which might peak my interest.
3. Is there a difference between PTO in a gear (ie manual) vs HST? I drove tractors growing up on our farm, but back then I think they were all geared.
4. 12.8 vs 11.6 gpm implement flow? Should I be concerned about having 12.8 vs 11.6? I believe this is probably based on the attachment being used, but wondering if there is some cutoff value that is important to have.

1. If you are going same speed in the same direction all the time geared is better IMO. HST is better for loader work where you are constantly changing speed and direction. Most newer tractors like the Kubota Grand L series have cruise control in the HST for mowing in the field type conditions. It really comes down to preference. I went back to HST from a geared tractor because I have a lot of cleanup to do on my new property where I need to grab things with the grapple and move it in various directions. Geared was nice for my larger meadows I had at my last farm.

2. Mid pto on larger tractors is usually for front mount implements like snow blowers, sweepers, or flail mowers. This setup, at least on Kubota Grand L series, is expensive. Hence you will have to likely step down significantly in HP if you want to consider a mid mount mower. I didn’t get the mid pto option but was told it can be added later. The front implements were way out of my price range even long term.

3. Can only speak to the Kubota Grand L I own but no difference in HST versus geared regarding the PTO. It is an electric on/off switch (technically controls some hydraulics to make it engage). I personally don’t like this as my last tractor had a hand clutch to engage so I could engage the pto softly at any engine speed. Seems to be a new trend to have the switches now. I don’t know if any of the more modern tractors have the pto tied to the same clutch pedal as the transmission, but I doubt it.

4. Can’t speak much to this my knowledge of hydraulics is enough to connect hoses at this point ;) Flow is mainly going to matter for the speed of your hydraulic implements such as the loader, backhoe, and anything else you may use. The faster that flow the faster things are going to respond. I could see it being a concern if you had a hydraulic implement with a hydraulic motor like a sweeper where you needed to keep it moving quick. Not sure where else it would matter to you.

You asked earlier about attachments and compatibility. Loader won’t be as compatible across models and definitely not manufactures. Almost any three point implement on the back is going to work with any manufacture and model as long as the hitch category on the tractor matches the implement. Most things you will likely purchase will be cat 1 or 2 or will work with either. Typically the main difference is the pin sizes which are usually easy to change. However for true cat 2 implements they may not hitch to a cat 1 hitch due to the change in dimensions on the hitch type. I’ve not known anyone to have this issue enough to be concerned with it, but if you are then purchasing a tractor with a cat1/2 hitch should mostly eliminate those concerns. The only other thing you could run into is the pto shaft could be too long or short on something you buy used but you can either shorten or purchase longer shafts if you ran into something like that. I’ve yet to had any compatibility issues from the 3 tractors I have owned in the past decade with the implements I have owned.

Front implements if you get a tractor with a skid steer quick attach then they will all be interchangeable. Only issue might be something hydraulic like a grapple where you might have to easily switch out a coupler.

Bottom line is your loader will likely be an investment that is staying with your tractor but all your front and back implements will be interchangeable (except a backhoe).

Also on the backhoe subject I have not tried to remove any stumps with mine yet, but from what I read it’s a bad idea to do it a lot. My work schedule prevents me from renting anything and not getting called and losing time on the rental so I bought the backhoe option. It has been this far for helping resolve grade issues, digging drainage ditches to save my driveway, and will be put to a lot of use installing drainage lines when it finally dries up. If you have a lot of major work and can rent it likely would be better to get a larger dedicated machine. The tractor hoe is also slow due to getting out of the cab and going around back over and over when you have to reposition the tractor.

Ps: typing on my phone so excuse the grammar as my phone loves to auto correct something meaningful to something crazy.
 
   / Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft #24  
Perhaps I can forgo getting a backhoe attachment? They are quite expensive and look to have a very limited horizontal radius. The trackhoe seems superior, and if I can get one per hour up in Red Feather Lakes it would be awesome.

Stump removal is the only task you have listed for a Backhoe, so far. As you know, tractors are inherently unstable because of large rear wheels and small front wheels. Equipment on tracks is much more stable. Plus~~~~~ you have sloped ground.

A Bucket Spade is useful for excavating holes to 48" deep in moist/reasonably soft soil. Bucket Spade is NOT for stump removal.

Bucket Spade is a particularly rigid mount on Kubota's optional Heavy-Duty, Round Back Bucket, which would be a good option in your rocky conditions.

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SSQA (Skid Steer Quick Attach) is another industry standard.

Confusing, because we are dealing with tractors here, but so it is.

In Kubota's catalog SSQA is termed "Mechanical 2-Lever Quick Coupler"
 
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4. 12.8 vs 11.6 gpm implement flow? Should I be concerned about having 12.8 vs 11.6? I believe this is probably based on the attachment being used, but wondering if there is some cutoff value that is important to have.

Three Point Hitch implements are mechanically powered through the tractor PTO, not hydraulic. This is 95% true.
A few implements, such as wheel/lift Disc Harrows, may have auxiliary hydraulic connections for height adjustments. Tractor 3-Pt. log splitters use hydraulic power.

On Kubota Grand Ls you can adjust the speed of hydraulic response through the instrument panel, most importantly the hydraulic FEL control. At age 70 I have the hydraulic response slowed to 80% of normal. As a newbie you will may want a slower, rather than faster response in the beginning.
 
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   / Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft #27  
Questions for everyone:

1. HST vs geared transmission, preference or am I missing something big not having a manual transmission in my conditions?

There are HST transmissions and there is Kubota's multi-featured HST/PLUS transmission. The HST/PLUS transmission, along with chassis weight, is a key selling point for Kubota Grand Ls.

Only Kubota offers this transmission. If you buy a Grand L, opt for HST/PLUS, over gear.

LINK: Kubota HST Plus transmission - Google Search
 
   / Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft #28  
Electric over hydraulic PTOs usually have some sort of soft start built in, though it's a fixed rate of takeup. I wanted electric over hydraulic as I run a PTO chipper a lot. Having the switch makes it easy to turn the chipper on and off from beside the tractor. With my old tractor's live PTO I had to mount the operator station to engage or disengage the PTO.

There's not any practical difference between 11.6 and 12.8 GPM for the hydraulic system. Neither is enough to run skid steer hydraulic attachments (though some people say hydraulic post hole diggers work ok). A good stand alone wood chipper with two speed pump is going to cycle faster. Most uses of tractor hydraulics is to operate cylinders- top and tilt for the 3pt, grapple, etc. For that, either GPM is enough.

Top and tilt are really useful when using a box blade (and presumably other rear blades). Kubota's 60 series have had some issues so if you go Kubota you might look into Fit-Rite top and tilt. I got set up my by dealer but the Fit-Rite stuff looks good. The owner posts here and is really knowledgable.

I'm in the HST camp. My land's steep and wooded. I'm constantly changing speed or direction to stay on the less steep parts or go around trees.
 
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There are HST transmissions and there is Kubota's multi-featured HST/PLUS transmission. The HST/PLUS transmission, along with chassis weight, is a key selling point for Kubota Grand Ls. Only Kubota offers this transmission. If you buy a Grand L, opt for HST/PLUS, over gear. LINK: Kubota HST Plus transmission - Google Search

Way too complicated for me. And I hate controls where you have to push a button on the dash, then push another button, then hold a button down, then turn around twice and then dance a Jig, before you get what you want. And when the thing starts to screw up? I can just imagine with the repair costs would be.
 
   / Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft #30  
Thanks Jeff. How easy is it to swap attachments? Probably the most common for me will be front loader, log grapple, and snow removal (haven't decided on blower or plow yet).

Be sure to get the skid steer quick attach (SSQA) option for your FEL. Makes switching implements fast and easy. There are hundreds of implements that support SSQA. And you can fabricate custom SSQA configurations easily using inexpensive SSQA hardware.

Good luck
 

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